WTF is this noise, and why is it happening??

woodsnake · Dec 16, 2011

All I did, was add the Performer RPM heads, disc brakes, and an MSD upgrade. And the light weight distributor spring "kit" for my duraspark distributor.

http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/woodsnake4462838/?action=view&current=dbb25c9b.mp4

Noobz347 · Dec 16, 2011

Sounds like a rocker tapping the valve cover.

chepsk8 · Dec 17, 2011

Agreed. If the Cobra valve covers you have are the standard ones, they will not clear the roller rockers, and they'll hit the oil and pcv baffles. I had the same issue issue with my aluminum covers with the GT-40 heads, so I machined the baffle mounts higher up so there was clearance. Quick way to tell is check for the location of the noise with a stethoscope or the screwdriver trick, and/or quickly run the car with the valve covers off or raised up 1/4". No noise, bingo. Also look for impacts on the underside of the valve covers.

Dan

woodsnake · Dec 17, 2011

This is a new noise, after the upgrades. The valve covers weren't changed.
Here is the exact same thing, two days before I brought it home, and made no changes in between..

http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/woodsnake4462838/?action=view&current=9ac4c5e0.mp4

Noobz347 · Dec 17, 2011

woodsnake said:
This is a new noise, after the upgrades. The valve covers weren't changed.
Here is the exact same thing, two days before I brought it home, and made no changes in between..

http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/woodsnake4462838/?action=view&current=9ac4c5e0.mp4

You changed the heads and got this noise afterward. Got it (unless I'm not understanding correctly).

--so--

Noobz347 said:
Sounds like a rocker tapping the valve cover.

--and--

chepsk8 said:
Agreed. If the Cobra valve covers you have are the standard ones, they will not clear the roller rockers, and they'll hit the oil and pcv baffles. I had the same issue issue with my aluminum covers with the GT-40 heads, so I machined the baffle mounts higher up so there was clearance. Quick way to tell is check for the location of the noise with a stethoscope or the screwdriver trick, and/or quickly run the car with the valve covers off or raised up 1/4". No noise, bingo. Also look for impacts on the underside of the valve covers.

Dan

It still sounds like a rocker tapping on the valve cover whether it's the result of larger roller rockers that chepsk8 mentions above or a fulcrum bolt loose, or stud that's either broke or stretched, or not screwed down all the way or whatever. Pull the valve covers and check.

woodsnake · Dec 17, 2011

I will pull the valve covers and confirm, but in person the noise is coming out of the rear carburetor.

Noobz347 · Dec 17, 2011

woodsnake said:
I will pull the valve covers and confirm, but in person the noise is coming out of the rear carburetor.

Could very well be but we don't get the directional sense from the video that you get being in front of it. Can only tell you what it sounds like. I do hope though, that the problem is as simple as rocker tap.

chepsk8 · Dec 17, 2011

If not, a bent valve or something equally ugly...

dennis112 · Dec 17, 2011

Did you consider that the head swap might require a different length pushrod?

Noobz347 · Dec 17, 2011

dennis112 said:
Did you consider that the head swap might require a different length pushrod?

I thought about that too. The sound clip sounds like a single tap though vs. multiple. Who knows though... might be a possibility.

jcode68 · Dec 17, 2011

Sounds familiar! Definately rocker. On mine, the rocker lock nut had backed all the way off and the rocker was flopping around. Sounds like a couple of marbles under the valve cover. Don't run the engine anymore until you pop the cover and have a look. Need to make sure the lock nuts are torqued properly so they don't back off.

68dustin · Dec 17, 2011

not to sound like u dont know what ur doin, but were all tools accounted for?? didnt leave anything under the intake in the valley?? ive seen it happen before, so just a thought?

woodsnake · Dec 17, 2011

No tools left over, we did check. I bought the heads several years ago, and just got around to installing them a few weeks ago. I took them to the machine shop, and ordered/installed the right springs for the cam that I already had in the motor. I don't know what happened between the 2nd video I posted, VS the first one. The engine is fresh, it only has about two and a half thousand miles on it. It is the Performer RPM cam, .496/.520 for lift specs. The Edelbrock dual quad package, on a .030 over 289 block. I had to learn the hard way about push rod length, springs, installed height, etc...I drove the car to my buddy's house with a garage, and we took the iron heads off. I had the machine shop verify that the springs I had that came with the heads were either good, or not. They said no, so I had them install springs that met the installed height/rate requirement. The overall height was maintained, so no PR change was in order. I re-verified the valve stem tip before we buttoned up the motor, and put it back together. In person, it sounds like it is backfiring up through the carb, there is only slight roller rocker noise coming from under the valve covers.

68dustin · Dec 17, 2011

did u check the piston to valave clearance?

woodsnake · Dec 17, 2011

Yes, I did. The Edelbrock heads have bigger valves, so we verified clearance.

palerider94 · Dec 18, 2011

my money is on rocker hitting valve cover as already mentioned.

woodsnake · Dec 18, 2011

Wouldn't that make a more consistent noise?

bikefreak600 · Dec 18, 2011

woodsnake said:
Wouldn't that make a more consistent noise?

if the rocker is loose and bouncing around it could randomly hit. my brother unknowingly dropped a washer down his intake one and started the motor, it made it into a cylinder and bounced around. sounded like the whole motor fell apart lol

pabear89 · Dec 18, 2011

woodsnake said:
All I did, was add the Performer RPM heads, disc brakes, and an MSD upgrade. And the light weight distributor spring "kit" for my duraspark distributor.

http://s819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/woodsnake4462838/?action=view&current=dbb25c9b.mp4[/quote]

From wacthing the vid, my ears say that you have a intake valve too tight and possably a loose exh rocker.

azduffee · Dec 18, 2011

It's possible you have a valve hanging/sticking in the guide. The valve guide clearances on new Edelbrock heads are always a bit tight and I hone them to size. Just another idea. The FIRST thing I would do is remove the valve cover and inspect things like many have suggested.

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