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@mikestang63
I like to breathe clean air, and working emissions equipment helps me do my part to make that possible. Los Angeles has breathable air even with millions of cars: Beijing, the capitol of China has some of the worst air in the world. Why – no emissions requirements for cars.

I don’t want to live where the air looks like this…
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See Chinese drivers blame everyone else for pollution - Taipei Times



For the benefit of those who haven't see the pretty picture and chemistry lesson before...



Thermactor Air System
Some review of how it works...

Revised 26-Jun-2105 to clarify operation of TAB & TAD solenoids

The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) supplies air to the heads or catalytic converters. This air helps break down the excess HC (hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide). The air supplied to the catalytic converters helps create the catalytic reaction that changes the HC & CO into CO2 and water vapor. Catalytic converters on 5.0 Mustangs are designed to use the extra air provided by the smog pump. Without the extra air, the catalytic converters will clog and fail.

The Thermactor air pump draws air from an inlet filter in the front of the pump. The smog pump puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The air provided by the air pump serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. With a warm engine, the computer operates on closed loop mode, taking input from all the sensors.

The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve, TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) or AM1 valve) either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The computer tells the Thermactor Air System to open the Bypass valve at WOT (wide open throttle) minimizing engine drag. This dumps the pump's output to the atmosphere, and reduces the parasitic drag caused by the smog pump to about 2-4 HP at WOT. The Bypass valve also opens during deceleration to reduce or prevent backfires.

The second valve, TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter valve or AM2 valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. Check valves located after the TAD solenoid prevent hot exhaust gases from damaging the Diverter control valve or air pump in case of a backfire.

Code 44 RH side air not functioning.
Code 94 LH side air not functioning.

How the O2 sensors affect the operation of the Thermactor Air System.
The computer uses the change in the O2 sensor readings to detect operation of the Thermactor control valves. When the dump valve opens, it reduces the O2 readings in the exhaust system. Then it closes the dump valve and the O2 readings increase. By toggling the dump valve (TAB), the computer tests for the 44/94 codes.

Failure mode is usually due to a clogged air crossover tube, where one or both sides of the tube clog with carbon. The air crossover tube mounts on the back of the cylinder heads and supplies air to each of the Thermactor air passages cast into the cylinder heads. When the heads do not get the proper air delivery, they set codes 44 & 94, depending on which passage is clogged. It is possible to get both 44 & 94, which would suggest that the air pump or control valves are not working correctly, or the crossover tube is full of carbon or missing.


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Computer operation & control for the Thermactor Air System.
Automobile computers use current sink technology. They do not source power to any relay, solenoid or actuator like the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors. Instead the computer provides a ground path for the positive battery voltage to get back to the battery negative terminal. That flow of power from positive to negative is what provides the energy to make the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors work. No ground provided by the computer, then the actuators and relays don't operate.

One side of the any relay/actuator/solenoid in the engine compartment will be connected to a red wire that has 12-14 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side will have 12-14 volts when the relay/actuator/solenoid isn't turned on. Once the computer turns on the clamp side, the voltage on the computer side of the wire will drop down to 1 volt or less.

In order to test the TAD/TAB solenoids, you need to ground the white/red wire on the TAB solenoid or the light green/black wire on the TAD solenoid. The TAB and TAD solenoid are located on the passenger side shock strut tower. Uneducated owners sometimes remove them to get more HP. This does not work, it just causes 81 & 82 codes.

For 94-95 cars: the colors are different. The White/Red wire (TAB control) is White/Orange (Pin 31 on the PCM). The Green/Black wire (TAD control) should be Brown (pin 34 at the PCM). Thanks to HISSIN50 for this tip.

Testing the system:

To test the computer, you can use a test light across the TAB or TAD wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker.

Disconnect the big hose from smog pump: with the engine running you should feel air output. Reconnect the smog pump hose & apply vacuum to the first vacuum controlled valve: Its purpose is to either dump the pump's output to the atmosphere or pass it to the next valve.

The next vacuum controlled valve directs the air to either the cylinder heads when the engine is cold or to the catalytic converter when the engine is warm. Disconnect the big hoses from the back side of the vacuum controlled valve and start the engine. Apply vacuum to the valve and see if the airflow changes from one hose to the next.

The two electrical controlled vacuum valves mounted on the rear of the passenger side wheel well turn the vacuum on & off under computer control. Check to see that both valves have +12 volts on the red wire. Then ground the white/red wire and the first solenoid should open and pass vacuum. Do the same thing to the light green/black wire on the second solenoid and it should open and pass vacuum.

Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

The computer provides the ground to complete the circuit to power the solenoid valve that turns the
vacuum on or off. The computer is located under the passenger side kick panel. Remove the kick panel & the cover over the computer wiring connector pins. Check Pin 38 Solenoid valve #1 that provides vacuum to the first Thermactor control valve for a switch from 12-14 volts to 1 volt or less. Do the same with pin 32 solenoid valve #2 that provides vacuum to the second Thermactor control valve. Starting the engine with the computer jumpered to self test mode will cause all the actuators to toggle on and off. If after doing this and you see no switching of the voltage on and off, you can start testing the wiring for shorts to ground and broken wiring. An Ohm check to ground with the computer connector disconnected & the solenoid valves disconnected should show open circuit between the pin 32 and ground and again on pin 38 and ground. In like manner, there should be less than 1 ohm between pin 32 and solenoid valve #2 and pin 38 & Solenoid valve #1.

If after checking the resistance of the wiring & you are sure that there are no wiring faults, start looking at the solenoid valves. If you disconnect them, you can jumper power & ground to them to verify operation. Power & ground supplied should turn on the vacuum flow, remove either one and the vacuum should stop flowing.

Typical resistance of the solenoid valves is in the range of 20-70 Ohms.

Theory of operation:
Catalytic converters consist of two different types of catalysts: Reduction and Oxidation.
The Reduction catalyst is the first converter in a 5.0 Mustang, and the Oxidation converter is the second converter. The Oxidation converter uses the extra air from the smog pump to burn the excess HC. Aftermarket converters that use the smog pump often combine both types of catalysts in one housing. Since all catalytic reactions depend on heat to happen, catalytic converters do not work as efficiently with long tube headers. The extra length of the long tubes reduces the heat available to operate the O2 sensors and the catalytic converters. That will cause emissions problems, and reduce the chances of passing an actual smog test.


Now for the Chemistry...
"The reduction catalyst is the first stage of the catalytic converter. It uses platinum and rhodium to help reduce the NOx emissions. When an NO or NO2 molecule contacts the catalyst, the catalyst rips the nitrogen atom out of the molecule and holds on to it, freeing the oxygen in the form of O2. The nitrogen atoms bond with other nitrogen atoms that are also stuck to the catalyst, forming N2. For example:

2NO => N2 + O2 or 2NO2 => N2 + 2O2

The oxidation catalyst is the second stage of the catalytic converter. It reduces the unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide by burning (oxidizing) them over a platinum and palladium catalyst. This catalyst aids the reaction of the CO and hydrocarbons with the remaining oxygen in the exhaust gas. For example:

2CO + O2 => 2CO2

There are two main types of structures used in catalytic converters -- honeycomb and ceramic beads. Most cars today use a honeycomb structure." Quote courtesy of How Stuff Works (HowStuffWorks "Catalysts")

What happens when there is no extra air from the smog pump...
As engines age, the quality of tune decreases and wear causes them to burn oil. We have all seem cars that go down the road puffing blue or black smoke from the tailpipe. Oil consumption and poor tune increase the amount of HC the oxidation catalyst has to deal with. The excess HC that the converters cannot oxidize due to lack of extra air becomes a crusty coating inside the honeycomb structure. This effectively reduces the size of the honeycomb passageways and builds up thicker over time and mileage. Continuous usage under such conditions will cause the converter to fail and clog. The extra air provided by the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) is essential for the oxidation process. It oxidizes the added HC from oil consumption and poor tune and keeps the HC levels within acceptable limits.

Newer catalytic converters do not use the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) because they are designed to work with an improved computer system that runs leaner and cleaner
Newer catalytic converters do not use the Thermactor Air System (smog pump) because they are designed to work with an improved computer system that runs leaner and cleaner
They add an extra set of O2 sensors after the catalytic converters to monitor the oxygen and HC levels. Using this additional information, the improved computer system monitors the health and efficiency of the catalytic converters. If the computer cannot compensate for the added load of emissions due to wear and poor tune, the catalytic converters will eventually fail and clog. The periodic checks (smog inspections) are supposed to help owners keep track of problems and get them repaired. Use them on an 86-95 Mustang and you will slowly kill them with the pollutants that they are not designed to deal with.
 
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All I can say is I will NEVER turn my car back into some daily semi mild mannered driver. I like the "obnoxious" qualities as you put it. I do understand YOUR point of view/tastes etc. if someone wants an aggressive(or your defined obnoxiously loud) car with over 500hp why is that "wrong"? And I seriously doubt they're going to be in the market for turning it back into some "stock" quality car. They may move on to another project(even possibly a very "civil" ride) because they don't want to deal with it anymore. I concede your view point as such that people evolve in the way they appreciate the hobby. But also you rant about the typical fox body upgrades as a no no to enjoying the car. I disagree. Not all of the older cars had "luxuries" and I like those raw muscle car type traits. Also I find it kind of hypocritical. I respect your automotive/fabrication skills and knowledge. Yet you talk about these particular traits as being unreliable/unuseful. You're building some aussie headed/turbo/mad scientist car. It's awesome I'm not criticizing and it probably will work well for you but it also could come apart in 2 shakes of a lambs tail. That's kind of a counterintuitive argument/rant IMO. Maybe something is lost on me and I am confused or being red assed(like I previously stated). I just don't get it?! Not trying to pee in your Cheerios or start some internet crap. I guess we don't see it the same way and I'll move on.

To be honest Mike sometimes you come off a little I don't know azzholio comes to mind. Everybody knows your personal preference on the "race car" thang. And I get it but if I really wanted something that wasn't loud,obnoxious,perfect a/c,low cruising rpms etc I'd definitely sell my fox body and buy ...oh I don't know..maybe a new mustang? Personally I think people like what they like. I only have fun with this car and have driven it maybe 5k miles in the 5 years I've had it. Could I drive it everyday? Sure but don't want to. I wouldn't want to if it was stock either. Different strokes and all that. But every so many months you post something semi negative about basically what every fox mustang has either already done,is planning to do,etc(your bored of h/c/i threads or this or that). You've evolved away from that part of the hobby. I get it and respect that. Others haven't and I don't get your threads about such subjects:scratch:
Maybe I took this the wrong way?? If so sorry about the semi red ass remarks. If I did infer this correctly I guess we just semi disagree

@A5literMan
totally agree that this thread is a bit obnoxious. Going through the mod bug phase with a 5.0 or any other vehicle is a "right of passage" that everyone can participate in.

It needs to be pointed out at the end of this thing that simply because I don't like something, doesn't mean I don't like you. Whether it is the topic of this thread, or something as extreme as you owning a Chevrolet, I still managed to have friends that understand that I have a different point of view.
Back in the day I was one of the minority that raced/drove a Ford in a group of Chevrolet owning friends.
If you think I'm obnoxious here, you should've heard me then.

The frequency of the rant post is directly dictated by something I read/saw/experienced before that that sparked the editorial. So as long as there are no guys asking how to make their car louder when it's a known fact that Flowmasters by most references are already loud, I'll be less likely to start another.
 
It needs to be pointed out at the end of this thing that simply because I don't like something, doesn't mean I don't like you. Whether it is the topic of this thread, or something as extreme as you owning a Chevrolet, I still managed to have friends that understand that I have a different point of view.
Back in the day I was one of the minority that raced/drove a Ford in a group of Chevrolet owning friends.
If you think I'm obnoxious here, you should've heard me then.

The frequency of the rant post is directly dictated by something I read/saw/experienced before that that sparked the editorial. So as long as there are no guys asking how to make their car louder when it's a known fact that Flowmasters by most references are already loud, I'll be less likely to start another.

lol...
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What ticks me off is I live over 50 miles from the Houston city limits.. yet we still have smog regs since it's an adjacent county.. grrrr.:mad:

Whatever. :ninja:
 
@madmike1157
It's all good fun bro. :cheers:

As far as clean air goes, there are still hundreds if not thousands of area's where there are no smog requirements and they have plenty of clean air.

Like I said, I will start worrying about my one little car engine that is tuned when we stop flying in planes. Tell Leo Dicaprio, Al Gore, and all the politicians to start taking the bus and then I'll consider how removing the smog stuff on my car is killing the environment.

Issue Briefing: Impacts of Airplane Pollution on Climate Change and Health

"Airplanes have three major problems: they are inefficient, they are big, and they run on toxic fuels. A fully laden A380, according to its’ engine maker Rolls Royce, uses as much energy as 3,500 family cars, equivalent to six cars for each passenger. 1 Long haul flights produce on average twice as much emissions per mile traveled per passenger than cars and short haul flights produce three times as much.

Unlike cars, however, people do not use airplanes for a few minutes each day to travel just around the corner for groceries or into the office. People fly hundreds or thousands of miles on each flight and airplanes spend many hours each day aloft. A single round trip flight from New York to Europe or San Francisco produces two to three tons of carbon dioxide per person. 2 To put this in perspective, the average American generates 19 tons of carbon dioxide and the average European produces ten over an entire year. A few flights, in other words, can completely overwhelm any attempts to reduce your personal contribution to global warming."

 
To throw more gas on the fire, China has poor air quality not only due to motor vehicles but due to the fact that they are one of the leading countries in manufacturing and I doubt they have much of an EPA to enforce clean air, proper waste and chemical dipsoal. Over population without proper waste disposal, public sewers for everyone and water treatment is not clean either. This all leads to a poor environment. I used to be upset that most manufacturing jobs went to China but after learning about how filthy the process is they can keep it.

@mikestang63
How about our POTUS? Air Force 1 is pretty busy flying his ass around for social time and photo opps. This applies to all of the them, not just Obama
 
The difference between the U.S. and other countries are the requirements of the government. I went to Guatemala last year, however the smog was horrible. Cars with zero emissions equipment, much less even a muffler. Diesel vehicles, gasoline powered it didn't matter. The air in the major cities was horrible to breath.

Now look at America, EPA regulations have left us with cleaner air. Now give the fact that 99% of the American people won't or don't care about deleting the smog equipment off vehicles has left us with cleaner air. At the end of the day, the less than 1 percent of people whom delete their vehicles of smog equipment aren't going to make a major impact.
 
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Just a few of the things that you'll change back after you get sick of them.

It comes around as often as a HCI thread. Some guy consciously makes the decision to delete his AC, make his exhaust LOUDER, lower the ride height to weed whacker using " wash board road riding" lowering springs, bump his rear gear from 3.27 to 4.10, or turn up the boost to 20 unusable P.S.I. ( Because 500 tire smoking RWHP wasn't enough)

Then, as surely as the sun rises, comes the "Returning it back to stock" thread.

It seems that every time I see some guy making claims that a fox isn't tolerable as a daily driver, I'll guarantee that his car has at least one or more of those modifications contributing to his point of view. Driving a car that rides like it has no suspension for the sake of stiffening it, while the engine screams it's balls off at 70 MPH because of a 4.10 or lower gear w/o AC has just gotta be a day at the beach.... No wonder he thinks that way.

A good sounding exhaust is almost iconic w/ these cars, it doesn't take alot to make one sound really good w/o broadcasting that noise from the roof top. Why people have to take that and amplify it to the point of being heard from several blocks away where the end result is so loud, you cant talk to anybody that happens to be in the car, listen to the stereo, or even have a prayer of hearing something else in the engine that may be a problem is beyond me.

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What was it that you were ranting about here again?...

Oh yeah...
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You can slice emssions and carbon footprints many, many, many different ways. It's a tough nut to crack to accurately compare the US and China. You can't use per capita, because they have several orders of magnitude more people. You can't compare countries because of geographical size comparison difficulties. However, I think the picture speaks a lot louder that jrichker posted. That's downright scary.

And @gearbanger101 I alternate DD duties between my stock fox w/o emissions and my intake/tune/exhaust coyote and I would bet a ham sandwich the fox would edge out the coyote in city driving. On the highway, the fox wins by a couple MPG. I can't prove it with stats ( I can start logging if I need to) but I can tell you that any RPM over 2k and the coyote drinks fuel. The fox hums along in the mid twenties.
 
Funny how 37 other countries- mostly with no EPA type regulations- all rank above the US for air quality. Another false narrative promoted by the left for over regulation. Hell Russia gets a 94 score compared to the US at 96. Are people really that naive to think that if only WE regulate ourselves to death, that is going to solve the Earth's problems? All of the contaminents, pollution, and waste other countries develop are in the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the food we eat.

/rant off

Air Quality | Environmental Performance Index
 
Funny how 37 other countries- mostly with no EPA type regulations- all rank above the US for air quality. Another false narrative promoted by the left for over regulation. Hell Russia gets a 94 score compared to the US at 96. Are people really that naive to think that if only WE regulate ourselves to death, that is going to solve the Earth's problems? All of the contaminents, pollution, and waste other countries develop are in the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the food we eat.

/rant off

Air Quality | Environmental Performance Index

To be fair, I'm not even sure those first eight countries even have cars!

Secondly, I agree. America can't save the world. More than likely less than 1% of people in America want to delete emissions on vehicles. We are talking minimal amounts compared to the rest of the world.
 
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And @madmike1157 I didn't take it personal. I just didn't agree with your rant lol and it allowed me to also "counter rant?"
Also as far as the smog nazzis goes...I highly doubt my 1000 miles a year driving is killing anyone's air quality.
 
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