Trickflow stage 2 cam w/331 AFR 185's??????

[juiced_94gt]

I bought my Shortblock yesterday to go along with my AFR 185's and track heat manifold...when i talked to CHP the guy said VERY quickly that the stage 2 trickflow cam is what i want, is he right? how is the idle on this cam??? does it make good power??? i can buy one new today for $100 bucks so if this is the cam i need i will buy it what kinda numbers will i bee looking at??? also do i need different pushrods??? and what rockers do i buy??? I know my combo will not be smog legal but will i be able to drive it everyday with a good tune on 91 octane??

 

[Grn92LX]

No, he's absolutly WRONG! Why put a cheap OTS cam in? Have a custom cam made to get you your goals for the combo. You WILL need valve springs regardless.

 

[juiced_94gt]

No, he's absolutly WRONG! Why put a cheap OTS cam in? Have a custom cam made to get you your goals for the combo. You WILL need valve springs regardless.

So, who would be a good choice to call for a custom cam??? and the springs already on the AFR's wont work???

 

[Black95GTS]

For cammed AFR headed fords, email ed curtis at flowtech induction for the grind. He will also set you up with his PS3 spring package, the AFR springs are notoriously lame from the factory. I believe he's 320 per grind.

Adam

 

[5spd GT]

He was $325 for the cam I got.

There is nothing wrong with an off the shelf cam, the trickflow cams are a great bang for the buck.

A custom cam will give you advantages because it is 'custom' to your actual engine. They take in to effect your static compression and design the cam to give you good dynamic compression, powerband goals, etc.

If you have the afr's, contact Ed Curtis and www.flowtechinduction.com. He sells them and is very familiar with them. He can get you the springs to match your cam specs as well! Good Luck and have fun.

Spokespeople are the phone for companies have preset parts they suggest without asking to much more in detail what you have done and what your goals are. Just take them with a grain of salt sometimes. The boards are good places to get advice, just watch out for bias and your golden

 

[juiced_94gt]

Thanks guys. FTI i will call tomorrow, but would trickflow be a good Choice for an OTS cam????

 

[trav_19]

i agree theres diehard custom cam only people i have seen some good combos with ots cams and alphabet cams could they have been better with a custom cam...probley but if money tight they all work fine

 

[Green 94 5.0]

plus the lsa on that cam will send the car into shock. our year cars do not do well with cams under 114lsa.

 

[gcomfx.com]

No, he's absolutly WRONG! Why put a cheap OTS cam in? Have a custom cam made to get you your goals for the combo. You WILL need valve springs regardless.

WHY? You answered you own question. MONEY that's why.

 

[Grn92LX]

When you have $2,500 to blow on a stroker shortblock, another $150 for a good cam ain't an issue Like I said, he WILL need valve springs regardless.

FTI, camshaft innovations or hitech motorsports will be able to design you a KILLER camshaft along with excellent after sale advice. For OTS cam's, I like the anderson Hi Rev stuff. I almost went that route and would have bought the anderson N91 hi rev for my set up.

 

[Yobi1Kanobi]

I think the general opinion is the custom cam route....and I agree there isnt anything in particular wrong with the TFS2 but there are better all around cams than that. And with that bein said there are even better custom cams out there too...But if money and expenses have built up go for the TFS 2 you just might be leaving a little bit of HP on the table....Good luck

 

[5spd GT]

If we all kept saying, "well if you just go ahead and get this part over that part while your at it"...we could all be in debt very quickly.

Examples:

Stock block, why not get a b50 block, well then why not get a Dart Block - You know have went from potentially 'free' to 2,000 dollars.

Stock cam, to TFS 1 cam, to $350 dollar cam - You have now spent $350 bucks more than you may have planned.

Stock ported intake - Performer Intake, to systemax Intake - You have now spent almost $500 more than you could have.

S/C trim to YS trim - You know have spent $3,000 more than you could have.

Ported stock heads and all of a sudden you need AFR 205's - You know have spent $1500 more than you could have...

It goes on and on, especially with gaskets and bolts.

The point is (although extreme), some enthusiasts may not be 'blowing' their money on a $2,500 dollar shortblock, but have only budgeted enough to get it and run. Is their anything wrong with that? No, not at all.

That is what we call a budget.

 

[gcomfx.com]

Agreed. Plus each of those recommendations... ADDS other parts on the $$$ list as well. LOL It's kinda like starting with a "cheap" off the shelf car. I would have a custom car built, but it's pricey.

I'll stick with my stage 2 cam. The "kit" gave me a descent discount. It all matches up. And the nitrous will provide enough power to test the block.

 

[WhiteDevil]

Yeah budgets suck. I wanted to dump my Edels and get some AFRs but couldnt spare the cost. Now at least i still have some options in making more power on this engine, gotta love room to grow.

 

[final5-0]

I'll just let all ya'll deal with money issues in this one

however

When you consider the work involved

I'd just hold off and stuff the EXACT one in there I wanted
to keep from having to do ALL that work over again later

Grady

 

[Pokageek]

If we all kept saying, "well if you just go ahead and get this part over that part while your at it"...we could all be in debt very quickly.

Examples:

Stock block, why not get a b50 block, well then why not get a Dart Block - You know have went from potentially 'free' to 2,000 dollars.

Stock cam, to TFS 1 cam, to $350 dollar cam - You have now spent $350 bucks more than you may have planned.

Stock ported intake - Performer Intake, to systemax Intake - You have now spent almost $500 more than you could have.

S/C trim to YS trim - You know have spent $3,000 more than you could have.

Ported stock heads and all of a sudden you need AFR 205's - You know have spent $1500 more than you could have...

It goes on and on, especially with gaskets and bolts.

The point is (although extreme), some enthusiasts may not be 'blowing' their money on a $2,500 dollar shortblock, but have only budgeted enough to get it and run. Is their anything wrong with that? No, not at all.

That is what we call a budget.

:Word:

Grady, On the "waiting" I don't agree actually. Who wants to keep waiting and waiting until the can get the money together...by then, you may not have the money, the time, or the car.

In a nutshell, Get what you can afford and have fun with it and if someone else thinks you should have done it some other way, tell him to pound sand. It is YOUR money.

 

[BlackVert]

there are hundreds of off the shelf cams to choose from, for many different applications. i'm confident there is already one out there for your application. after all, yours is a pretty standard combination of off the shelf parts.

there is nothing wrong with the tfs stage 2. my only thought about that is that cam was pretty much designed for use with the other trick flow h/c/i parts, so it might not be as good a match with the other parts. but i am a fan of the comp extreme energy cams. for a daily driven 331, i think this would be a great choice:

summit part #CCA-35-518-8, grind #FW XE274HR-12

check this guy's combo, stock bottom end with an off the shelf comp hydraulic roller:

http://bbs.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=38030

then there is eric fischer, also over on hardcore, running a 418 with a comp xe-282 in his fox. he runs 10.69 quarters, and that is with a 4R70W automatic tranny.

http://bbs.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37300

then there is my engine builders book that has a combos section at the end, one of which is a carbed chp 302 shortblock with afr 185s and an xe-282 cam that made 450hp on an engine dyno.

for a 114 lsa cam, i'd consider this one: CCA-35-351-8

ps - i let myself get swept up in the custom cam rush and ended up with a custom cam. but in retrospect, i wish i had gone with one of the comp extreme energy cams, probably the xe-282 like eric fischer. there is alot to be said for known quantities.

i may be in the minority here, but that is my opinion.

 

[final5-0]

:Word:

Grady, On the "waiting" I don't agree actually. Who wants to keep waiting and waiting until the can get the money together...by then, you may not have the money, the time, or the car.

In a nutshell, Get what you can afford and have fun with it and if someone else thinks you should have done it some other way, tell him to pound sand. It is YOUR money.

Of course ... Everybody needs to do what they feel is right for them

My opinion is based upon the fact ...
I've just had a belly full of compromises over my lifetime

When you get to be my age

Who knows ... You may be able to relate to my way of thinking

Its All Good

Grady

 

[Pokageek]

Yes compromising sucks but you have to get going somewhere and end it somewhere. Personally, I am now already blown way past my budget but still compromising, lol. I went with a custom grind b/c I think it is important. I am keeping my trick flows based on educated advice and to save some money and can always upgrade but the 408 is going in either way.

 

[gcomfx.com]

Within a month, I'll let you all know how the stage 2 cam runs in a 331.