Hybrid Engine in '67 Mustang?

[suki243]

Thanks D.Hearne, I'm just a young gullible mind; teacher said that and i was like oh. I may have not used the exact terms but that was the gist.

GM is also coming out with a very cool engine that uses electromagnets, in addition to the rotary engine concept, it looks very cool and very promising. Along with a system that uses generators that engage when you push the brake pedal, the rotation of the rotor then powers the generator thus charging your battery just a bit, when one releases the brake the generator lifts off the rotor.

 

[A67StangMaster]

Who wants to drive a classic 2.3L mustang?

Have you ever driven a 2.3L mustang? I am pretty sure theres enough power to keep everybody happy with that engine. plus you can stick alot of good trannys back there.
I think this would be the best low cost solution if he were to change out the engine.

Also one flaw that i see about the direct injection design is that after the car is turned off the gas that is left will evaporate from the heat, thus leaving lots of carbon build up on the injectors.
I dont want to be cleaning my fuel injectors every 3000 miles.

 

[D.Hearne]

Eh I heard the same thing about biodiesel/ e85 or whatever. My chem teacher in high school (he was kinda weird) but he showed us the chemical equations and basically during the fermentation of corn oil releases the same if not more CO2 than a regular diesel vehicles, the only difference in this case is the place where it is released, he argued that the fermentation occurs in the middle regions of the United states, while in cars they're all over the place. he then argued that these fermentation plants are actually worse for the ozone layer.

Don't lump Bio diesel in with corn based ethanol The two products are not the same thing. Veg oil diesel production is nowhere near as energy consumptive as corn based ethanol is. Ethanol isn't made from fermenting oil anyway. There's several products taken from oil seed. These are the hulls, meal, oil and starch (in corn) Ethanol is made from the starch & sugars. The only process I've seen to make bio diesel is to simply remove the soap stock, that's a simple process of mixing a chemical with the oil, the soap stock rises to the surface. There's also a lot more BTU content in the finished product, unlike ethanol. And using the oil for fuel, doesn't cut into the food prodution, the oil is simply a by-product. If anything ethanol production should be banned from using corn, there's too many other sources of fodder for this to need corn. Using the oil for fuel, is just anther added market for the oil, which is already been produced for decades.

 

[ForceFed70]

Hybrid vehicle = no. Its just too complicated to be practical.

If you want to go green, I would suggest these alternatives:

- Pure electric. There are a few companies out there that sell conversion kits. Basically you replace the transmission with a big electric motor, the batteries go under the hood. Depending on number of batteries, etc the only downside to this is how far you can go on a charge (most dont go more than 200 miles).

- Design it to run on flex fuel (ethanol, etc). If you convert to EFI and use an ECU that supports flex fuel (and the flex fuel sensor) this should be fairly straight forward. My Megasquirt ECU supports flex fuel. I plan to take advantage of this someday if they ever start selling E85 in my area.

 

[mustbereel]

- Pure electric. There are a few companies out there that sell conversion kits. Basically you replace the transmission with a big electric motor, the batteries go under the hood. Depending on number of batteries, etc the only downside to this is how far you can go on a charge (most dont go more than 200 miles).

At the last autoshow here in San Diego I saw a 2007 Mustang and a Cobra kit car that had been converted to electric. The motors they used were rated at 1000lb/ft! Quoted 0-60 time was less than 4sec!

http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1408

The cost? $80,000 to convert your car!

 

[Sicarius428]

You are better off just buying a Civic or a Corola honestly. Classic Mustangs are fun great cars but for safety, gasmileage, ease of driving and parking... everything you want your child to have... the mustang is not the best choice. The cost of converting will probably buy you another car. Granted it won't be a mustang but a mustang is not what a grad needs for everyday driving.
My mustangs are toys to me and my everyday drivers are a 97 4runner and a 92 corolla.
Kevin

 

[69gmachine]

Have you ever driven a 2.3L mustang? I am pretty sure theres enough power to keep everybody happy with that engine. plus you can stick alot of good trannys back there.
I think this would be the best low cost solution if he were to change out the engine.

Also one flaw that i see about the direct injection design is that after the car is turned off the gas that is left will evaporate from the heat, thus leaving lots of carbon build up on the injectors.
I dont want to be cleaning my fuel injectors every 3000 miles.

I had a 2.3L Fox Mustang that was so anemic it couldn't get out of it's own way going downhill. The only thing I'd put a 2.3L in would be a ministock dirt track car that was gutted of every ounce possible.

 

[Hack]

I know a lot of people don't see hybrids as practical vehicles, but honestly think about this, if all cars were at least mild hybrids and all they did was shut off at stoplights, that'd be a big move towards making our vehicles more efficient.

You have to think of the entire product life cycle to really determine efficiency. How much does it cost to make the thing? How long does it last? How expensive is the maintenance? How much does it cost to dispose of the vehicle after its life is over?

Efficiency in a car is a small, simple and light vehicle. It takes more energy to accelerate a heavy car compared to a light car. Hybrids are heavy and complicated. Hybrids wouldn't even be sold if the government weren't taking tax money from us and redistributing it to the auto manufacturers.

/soapbox
Anyhoo, I could really give a rip about fuel efficiency. I like my cars to work properly and run close to stoichiometric A/F, but cars are my main source of enjoyment. I do not find efficiency especially enjoyable, but I love acceleration. I do really worry about the radicals out there who believe that I am evil for enjoying driving my car. At least we all have that in common.

If burning fossil fuels seems wrong to you, move within biking or public transportation distance from work and get rid of your car. If you want to keep your car and live where you want, I urge you to not support politicians who will take these rights away from us.

/end soapbox

 

[Daves67]

I vote looking more into E85, but there just aren't very many locations to get it (at least around me). I read somewhere that Edelbrock is coming out with a E85 carb.

 

[valley82]

You do realize that the median temp of the planet was down one degree F. last year right???...equal to the last hundred years of "GLOBAL WARMING"...you should burn as much fossil fuel as possible to offset this!!! Don't believe me check it out for youself.

O.K. - anti tree hugger rant over...buy her a honda or the like and please don't make her drive around in a STANG that sounds like a golf cart, PLEASE!!!

In all honesty, do what you like, just don't let a bunch of comunists, I mean Democrats, decide for you...

 

[mrmustangman357]

notice how the original poster hasn't even replied yet?

 

[CraigMBA]

notice how the original poster hasn't even replied yet?

Imagine.

 

[Rusty67]

I was going to post about kicking a dead horse this morning but didn't get the chance, I think this one is over with guys....

 

[jabb]

I think this one is over with guys....

Well dang I was looking forward to busting out my arguments concerning alternative energies and global warming. Oh well.

 

[D.Hearne]

He's probably still trying to think of a better arguement to come back with as far as the "pro" side of this idea.

 

[Edbert]

notice how the original poster hasn't even replied yet?

Or that it was his first post in the first place?

You've all been punked for replying...doh...got me too!

 

[180 Out]

If you have a good running 289/302 in it with a 2 bbl and high rear gears then gas mileage shouldn't be that bad. If I wanted to get better gas mileage I'd make sure that everything was in tip top shape and put an overdrive transmission in it.

Reading a recent Road & Track last night (the one with the blue ZR1 Vette on the cover), I noticed that five cars in a row mentioned in stories in the mag -- BMW M3, Audi S4, Lexus IS, Dodge Caliber SRT-4, and Mazdaspeed 3 -- get mileage about the same as my '65 C code 289 with an AFB carb, T-5, and 3.55's, about 15/21. Granted, we're talking cars with 300-400 hp that weigh between 3300 and 4000 lbs., that run 12.5 to 14.5 in the quarter and are speed limited to about 155 mph. But on fuel economy alone, a 40 year old carbureted 289 (with overdrive) gives up nothing to these new models.

 

[Hack]

You do realize that the median temp of the planet was down one degree F. last year right???...equal to the last hundred years of "GLOBAL WARMING"...you should burn as much fossil fuel as possible to offset this!!! Don't believe me check it out for youself.

O.K. - anti tree hugger rant over...buy her a honda or the like and please don't make her drive around in a STANG that sounds like a golf cart, PLEASE!!!

In all honesty, do what you like, just don't let a bunch of comunists, I mean Democrats, decide for you...

I like your post, but..
Actually average global temps have been going down for the last 8 or 9 years. It's absolutely a certainty that global warming caused by human activities is a false theory. A lot of the environmentalism movement is about rich people trying to figure out ways to get richer, not about "saving" anything.

Why buy a Honda? The US economy is having enough trouble as it is. Please, please everyone think about your country when making buying decisions and buy an American car.

 

[ForceFed70]

Why buy a Honda? The US economy is having enough trouble as it is. Please, please everyone think about your country when making buying decisions and buy an American car.

Lol... An American car that's build in Canada from parts made in China

But, at least some of the money goes into the American market(not all are assembled in Canada either) unlike the direct imports...

 

[Hack]

Lol... An American car that's build in Canada from parts made in China

But, at least some of the money goes into the American market(not all are assembled in Canada either) unlike the direct imports...

I agree..

I think it's good to have cars assembled at a lower cost so that it can be passed on to the buyer. I like to see at a minimum the top skilled people be here in America. The "burger flippers" can be somewhere else if need be. The American auto assembly unions have hurt the Big 3 by driving costs very high, that's for sure, as has the lawsuit lottery that causes medical coverage to be very expensive for their retired members.

I remember talking to a friend who worked at the Ford assembly plant in St. Paul.. this was years ago and he was getting paid quite a bit more for picking up cardboard than I was making in my engineering job. It's no wonder Ford had trouble competing! If they can't pay their assemblers a realistic wage here, they SHOULD go somewhere else for that labor, IMO.

As you said, with regards to American auto companies, the big shots are here in America. Any doubts that the majority of profits made by Honda go to Japan?