to carb or to inject?

[88347lx]

""That being said, both my father and I, as well as John chose HP Ranch owner John to tune our cars because hes the best. Takes balls to admit as a man someone else is better at something than me.""

Nah, it takes balls to do it yourself and actually read up and learn fundamentals of tuning your car instead of shellin out the coin for someone else to do it. It's not rocket science.

""Yes it is senceless to buy a tunner and then take it to someone to tune it. But if you caint figure it out then what?""

If you can't figure it out then reading might help....god knows there are tons of threads/forums on tuning engines. This is, what I feel, separates the boys from the men. Tuning your own **** is not only cheaper but you feel like you accomplished something....you also learn more about your engine. You just put together an engine, Jon, what makes you think tuning it is so out of reach?

Drew

it's not out of reach at all, someday maybe i'll be the tuner man...

 

[fiveohwblow]

""That being said, both my father and I, as well as John chose HP Ranch owner John to tune our cars because hes the best. Takes balls to admit as a man someone else is better at something than me.""

Nah, it takes balls to do it yourself and actually read up and learn fundamentals of tuning your car instead of shellin out the coin for someone else to do it. It's not rocket science.

""Yes it is senceless to buy a tunner and then take it to someone to tune it. But if you caint figure it out then what?""

If you can't figure it out then reading might help....god knows there are tons of threads/forums on tuning engines. This is, what I feel, separates the boys from the men. Tuning your own **** is not only cheaper but you feel like you accomplished something....you also learn more about your engine. You just put together an engine, Jon, what makes you think tuning it is so out of reach?

Drew

Well imho I think humility is harder for men than pride. Im my case, its in humility that I go to someone who knows more than I. Also, time is money and in my line of work the $150 I pay to have someone else tune is better/less expensive than the several hours I would have to spend researching. Its all about opportunity cost. For the record, I tuned a buddies turbo 240sx with a standalone Fuel Management so I have experience, but I know I am not as good as John or other tuners.

 

[white 89 GT]

I just want to say that if you take it to a pro it will come out better than an average tune which is what you will get by yourself.

 

[88347lx]

Well imho I think humility is harder for men than pride. Im my case, its in humility that I go to someone who knows more than I. Also, time is money and in my line of work the $150 I pay to have someone else tune is better/less expensive than the several hours I would have to spend researching. Its all about opportunity cost. For the record, I tuned a buddies turbo 240sx with a standalone Fuel Management so I have experience, but I know I am not as good as John or other tuners.

point taken. thanks

 

[gmsux]

Go with an SDS system and tune it yourself on a dyno and cross reference results with egt's. Once you know that, the rest is easy and way more powerful than a maf setup....

 

[stock50LX]

I see most issues have been addressed already and that you've made your decision. I would just footnote this debate by adding that the closer the car comes to being a race car, the better-off you are with a carb -unless money is no object. The closer it is to being a street car, the better off you are with EFI. If the car is a daily driver, EFI is a clear choice.

 

[88347lx]

SWS ? you'll have to explain that to me , i've never been involved with performance injection before. just getting started but want to do it right..

 

[88347lx]

sds?

 

[88347lx]

oh sds. hmmm

 

[SMOKEDYA]

""That being said, both my father and I, as well as John chose HP Ranch owner John to tune our cars because hes the best. Takes balls to admit as a man someone else is better at something than me.""

Nah, it takes balls to do it yourself and actually read up and learn fundamentals of tuning your car instead of shellin out the coin for someone else to do it. It's not rocket science.

""Yes it is senceless to buy a tunner and then take it to someone to tune it. But if you caint figure it out then what?""

If you can't figure it out then reading might help....god knows there are tons of threads/forums on tuning engines. This is, what I feel, separates the boys from the men. Tuning your own **** is not only cheaper but you feel like you accomplished something....you also learn more about your engine. You just put together an engine, Jon, what makes you think tuning it is so out of reach?

Drew

As for now i would need the SCT program lap top i probably wouldnt know what to set stuff at once i got into the chip (never seen what one looks like) plus i paid $50 for my base tune and it's feels about 90% right so i feel i'll have another $75 into dyno time. so for now $125 for a tune is cheaper then the soft ware and a lap top and all the time i would have on the dyno trying to figure it out myself.peace







john

 

[88347lx]

?

As for now i would need the SCT program lap top i probably wouldnt know what to set stuff at once i got into the chip (never seen what one looks like) plus i paid $50 for my base tune and it's feels about 90% right so i feel i'll have another $75 into dyno time. so for now $125 for a tune is cheaper then the soft ware and a lap top and all the time i would have on the dyno trying to figure it out myself.peace







john

what tuner do you have?

 

[gmsux]

Nope. programmable efi will outperform carbs on the track too with no between round tuning and the other benefits intrinsic w/efi coupled with fine and clearly defined tuning.

no 1 1/2 turns from here and drill out this jet to that and blah blah blah.....

I see most issues have been addressed already and that you've made your decision. I would just footnote this debate by adding that the closer the car comes to being a race car, the better-off you are with a carb -unless money is no object. The closer it is to being a street car, the better off you are with EFI. If the car is a daily driver, EFI is a clear choice.

 

[gmsux]

Yep, Simple Digital Systems, been around long time. Systems are usually misunderstood as evidenced by the "magical tuner" theories. All a good tune is is the right A/F first and then timing comensurate with the engine and conditions. There are elements of idle/cold start/accel ramp/etc. but those are not difficult either. For a very functional, consistent, and repeatable system with absolutely killer throttle response look no further.

oh sds. hmmm

 

[vristang]

I know I am coming in a little late, but I wanted to offer a couple of ideas that I didn't see mentioned yet...

The QuarterHorse has been release by Moates.
In my opinion, this is the best value in tuning stock efi out there.
The only thing the tweecer can brag about now is the multiple tune switches.

The QH allows you to make changes to the tune WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING. Tweecer can't do that.
The QH has WAY more datalogging capabilities. More than most of us will know how to take advantage of.
QH is less than half the price of a tweecer: $250

Here is a link to the QH from Moates...
QuarterHorse for Fords [QH1] - $249.00 : Moates.Net


There are some really good tuning sites out there.
EECTuning.org is definitely the best for eec-iv stuff...
EECTuning.org • Index page

I have some beginners info at SeattleBlueOvals...
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(this is still a work in progress though)

There is also some info here on stangnet...
Fox 5.0 Tuning - Mustang Forums at StangNet

Good luck,
jason