1/4 times, Performer vs. Performer RPM

[nmcgrawj]

nmcgrawj- there's nothing with "going with the crowd" if the parts are proven to work. Then again, its cool to see and try new things. I did just that when I first did the AFR/FTI/E-brock combo, but it was a combo based on sound components that complemented each other well. Bigger isn't always better, or as fun. My dad has a "bigger" combo than mine with a more radical cam, intake, gearing, etc.... it s also faster than my car too. BUT I'd take my car any day of the week over his. Its hard for those that haven't experienced such a car to realize that it isn't as much fun as a car with a strong low end on the street and for everyday driving, but I have. Its all in what you want/like, but I personally don't want a street car that doesn't come alive until 4000+rpms.

I understand and agree. I dont want a car that comes a live at 4000+ rpms either. WE shall see how it goes....

 

[tmoss]

Jay Allen is very informative .....I have read where he has told people not to buy a cam because that's not what they needed and recommended what part would help them out more.

That is the right thing to do and it pays back down the road. Short term gains turn into long term losses.

 

[badingle]

I bought the RPM because thats what Ed suggested. I am running his cam so naturally, I am going to use the intake that he thinks is going to work best for MY CAR, not what's going to work better for Jimmy's car. Did I loose torque? maybe? but my car still runs strong. 12.82@104? Id say there is still some left. I just have to work with my combo.

For all the other cam runners that are putting up good times, WTG!!! Something that I have learned over the past couple weeks is that this stuff does not come easy(thanks Tim). You guys have put countless hours into your car and it runs great! Awesome.

What isnt GREAT are the guys coming on here saying screw Ed. Thats just uncalled for. Grow up!!! I havent met Ed personally yet, but every time I have emailed him, he was helpful, just very, very, very busy. The guy doesnt even advertise, yet everyone seems to know who he is. Id say thats an accomplishment in itself.

-Andy-

 

[onebad95]

VERY VERY FUNNY



Ed Curtis told me that i would slow myself down going from stock heads to trick flow heads, one of his custom grind cams, and an RPM. ALSO, he said he would not grind a cam for that combo, yet he is telling you to do the very same thing. THAT'S A KNEE SLAPPER if i have ever seen one.

Screw you Ed as a business man, a racer and a person. I guess i will just have to go fast the good ole fashion way and without any afr fti parts..... just like in Dark pony's case; you couldnt handle the fact that he made the power your cars do on stock computer and maybe showed people that there IS an alternative.

it is too bad i got scammed on the heads otherwise i could make you eat your words again just like when you said i needed to "get a clue" when i said i would go 12s on bone stock heads

I am well motivated by spite so i guess i should THANK you for driving me to get my car where it is and prove you wrong.

Thanks Ed

I can't believe what you wrote. Ed Curtis has forgotten more about going fast than you'll ever know. I suppose going 12.9? on stock heads is impressive, but is it really impressive for a car that weighs 3,000 lbs.

I would think a 3,800 lb. AODE going 12.9 is a little more impressive.

Now, you might want to argue that my car is better equipped. I would agree with that. The only thing I have that you don't is a set of heads. Just think if you had a set of afr's or equal you might actually be able to get a better view of "THE BAR". Oh yeah, that is another FTI customer.

Enough Said....

 

[nmcgrawj]

I can't believe what you wrote. Ed Curtis has forgotten more about going fast than you'll ever know. I suppose going 12.9? on stock heads is impressive, but is it really impressive for a car that weighs 3,000 lbs.

I would think a 3,800 lb. AODE going 12.9 is a little more impressive.

Now, you might want to argue that my car is better equipped. I would agree with that. The only thing I have that you don't is a set of heads. Just think if you had a set of afr's or equal you might actually be able to get a better view of "THE BAR". Oh yeah, that is another FTI customer.

Enough Said....

Does his car really weigh 3000lbs? He would have to do a lot of weight reducing to get it there but i dont know. If he did get some heads, it would do a lot more than a 12.9 but your times still are impressive none the less.

I bought the RPM because thats what Ed suggested. I am running his cam so naturally, I am going to use the intake that he thinks is going to work best for MY CAR, not what's going to work better for Jimmy's car. Did I loose torque? maybe? but my car still runs strong. 12.82@104? Id say there is still some left. I just have to work with my combo.

What isnt GREAT are the guys coming on here saying screw Ed. Thats just uncalled for. Grow up!!! I havent met Ed personally yet, but every time I have emailed him, he was helpful, just very, very, very busy. The guy doesnt even advertise, yet everyone seems to know who he is. Id say thats an accomplishment in itself.

No one is being childish. If i spend money and i have questions, then there is only a certain number of short emails i will take before i get fed up and find someone else. Im guessing you also have a 94/95, and there are all these different setups that people say Ed told them to run. I just wanted a more detail explanation on why he wanted me to run a performer when others are running rpm's and such that he designed for them also. I acknowledged Ed's reputation for great cams but like others agree, deep detail was abit lacking. I already said i would put my money on him being too busy but if i need something he cant give, then i will go somewhere else. Im sure the majority of people have great experiences with Ed, but just like anything else, nothing is perfect. For there to be so many different intake setups with afr/fti/eddy setups all being on 94/95, i dont see it being unreasonable to ask for a reason for me to change brands and step down in intake size.

Now lets stop talking about our preference for a custom cam designer and get back to tech . As long as they are all making great performing cams running 12.xx times than who cares?

 

[5spd GT]

Well on the Performer intake question...when I asked Ed through an email on why I should pick the Performer over the Performer Rpm...I put "Is it because the Performer has a more useable rpm range (idle-5500) to the RPM's (1500-6500)...and he responded "You hit the nail right on the head"...and that was that...so the Performer was then ordered...

He is short with his answers but he gets the job done and tells you what you will need...just like any other custom cam "manufacturer"...

 

[Killercanary]

VERY VERY FUNNY



Ed Curtis told me that i would slow myself down going from stock heads to trick flow heads, one of his custom grind cams, and an RPM. ALSO, he said he would not grind a cam for that combo, yet he is telling you to do the very same thing. THAT'S A KNEE SLAPPER if i have ever seen one.

Screw you Ed as a business man, a racer and a person. I guess i will just have to go fast the good ole fashion way and without any afr fti parts..... just like in Dark pony's case; you couldnt handle the fact that he made the power your cars do on stock computer and maybe showed people that there IS an alternative.

it is too bad i got scammed on the heads otherwise i could make you eat your words again just like when you said i needed to "get a clue" when i said i would go 12s on bone stock heads

I am well motivated by spite so i guess i should THANK you for driving me to get my car where it is and prove you wrong.

Thanks Ed

WTF... where did that come from?
Yeah... that was helpful.

 

[95snoozer]

I can't believe what you wrote. Ed Curtis has forgotten more about going fast than you'll ever know. I suppose going 12.9? on stock heads is impressive, but is it really impressive for a car that weighs 3,000 lbs.

I would think a 3,800 lb. AODE going 12.9 is a little more impressive.

Now, you might want to argue that my car is better equipped. I would agree with that. The only thing I have that you don't is a set of heads. Just think if you had a set of afr's or equal you might actually be able to get a better view of "THE BAR". Oh yeah, that is another FTI customer.

Enough Said....

my car weighed 3265 at the time smart guy.....

its lighter now with new mods and even faster on stock heads, should be good for 107-108 MPH on stock heads in the cooler air

I hope you get a power adder to compensate for all that weight you just added to rice out your car

you also say something equal.... i guess you didnt read my post before you so intelligently responded. but i was going with a customgrind twisted wedge heads and rpm intake i had everything in the combo sitting in the living room or on the car including a 125 wet shot...... except for the heads which i got scammed on. I will get another set of heads soon.

 

[95snoozer]

What isnt GREAT are the guys coming on here saying screw Ed. Thats just uncalled for. Grow up!!! I havent met Ed personally yet, but every time I have emailed him, he was helpful, just very, very, very busy. The guy doesnt even advertise, yet everyone seems to know who he is. Id say thats an accomplishment in itself.

-Andy-

tell me you wouldnt be angry as hell if you had your combo setup you called and said" can you grind me a cam for my combo i have cash ready today and someone said that combo sucks you have no idea what you are doing you are going to be slow..... then months later you see that same vendor pushing the SAME DAMN COMBO on one of his customers.

I am not out of line that is plain Bull S H I T and i was VERY mad when i saw this thread

 

[Killercanary]

Ricer??? WHAT, are you serious??? What is your problem? It seems like all you like to do lately here is start ****, you remind me of Darkpony from the corral. Is it a texas thing or something, you both seem to have the same piss poor attitudes which is unfortunate. 99% of us here are here to help each other, but more often that not you seem to express your opinions and make smart remarks. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but when they are juvenile and serve no purpose for the others here, its a waste of webspace and time for the others here trying to enjoy this hobby and help each other out. You didn't used to be this way, you used to help, but it seems that you have developed the same attitude that Darkpony did when he ran 12's. Why? You obviously have good information to give to others here on drag racing, weight reduction and such as you accomplished something that even I thought was not likely, but the attitude you have lately makes me want to avoid post by you. It was attitudes and such that ruined the corral... I really hope the trend doesn't continue here...

 

[5spd GT]

tell me you wouldnt be angry as hell if you had your combo setup you called and said" can you grind me a cam for my combo i have cash ready today and someone said that combo sucks you have no idea what you are doing you are going to be slow..... then months later you see that same vendor pushing the SAME DAMN COMBO on one of his customers.

I am not out of line that is plain Bull S H I T and i was VERY mad when i saw this thread

Yeah, if that is true...that is interesting...

 

[Killercanary]

And I can't imagine that Ed would ever say that "your combo is crap" I have known him too long to believe that. I can see him making suggestions on some things to change, but even as blunt as he is, I don't see him saying that.

 

[onebad95]

my car weighed 3265 at the time smart guy.....

its lighter now with new mods and even faster on stock heads, should be good for 107-108 MPH on stock heads in the cooler air

I hope you get a power adder to compensate for all that weight you just added to rice out your car

you also say something equal.... i guess you didnt read my post before you so intelligently responded. but i was going with a customgrind twisted wedge heads and rpm intake i had everything in the combo sitting in the living room or on the car including a 125 wet shot...... except for the heads which i got scammed on. I will get another set of heads soon.

Should be, could be, what if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. As far as my rice'd out stang... Please, your driving a bone stock V6 Look a like. If you want you can come to my house and polish my trophy's.

As far as the power adder, I guess you didn't look at the pics when I put them up, or maybe you couldn't see through the tears of jealousy. Vortech is on there and anytime you want your a** handed to you, come on up.

I normally don't get involved with these kid games, but Ed Curtis is a really good guy that has done so very much for the mustang community. I can't sit by and watch some wanna be racer bash his good name.

 

[EDC]

I second that for FTI cams. I was talking to Ed, i told him i was ready to buy the cam, and his emails were VERY thin.

The first responses I sent to you contained plenty of information.

You kept telling me you "wanted" to use certain parts like a TFS Track Heat intake, ported TW heads and I stated a street car of your type weighed a lot and the gearing was wrong for these parts...

Also, when I asked for the actual weight of the car, you didn't know. I estimated at 3500+ pounds (SN95) and that's why all those high rpm parts you wanted to use were wrong for your application. You asked and I told you...

You refused to listen so sought someone who would tell you exactly what you wanted to hear...

Good luck but be sure to post the results...

I would write him multiple paragraphs about what i wanted and i would get a response like "performer" or "you need the low end grunt to get the car moving". Thats fine and all, but i would like a little bit more info or reasoning for giving you my $325 besides your reputation.

I gave you simple, easy responses to your thirty-something Emails. I don't need to explain every last nut and bolt in detail because the combination you were building did not require it.

Besides, if you are going to question all decisions I made, why even ask?

I made a comment about GTJakes numbers using the performer with the ported lower and i asked what effects that would have. All Ed said to me was "GTJake has a totally different setup than you." Now guys come on, i have a stock engine with TFS heads sitting at home with the fox lake port job on them and no other parts. How are our combos so different?

They are different...

I am very glad Grn92LX told me to hit up Jay Allen at Cam innovations. He explained everything and RECOMMENDED rather than TELLING me what intake and other parts i should run. All he does is cams....he doesn't sell intakes so he doesn't sound like a salesman like Ed Curtis did.

Salesman? You ask for a combination and pricing and now I'm a salesman?

Ever check Jay's responses on Hardocre50.com? Now there's a salesman, similar to Dumper. He's been repremanded on the site for spamming by the owners. He Emailed me asking about the whole ordeal so it's not internet BS...

Glad you hooked up with Jay. Be sure to post all the results...

Dont get me wrong, Ed does make nice cams by the way people talk, but something just didn't feel right. Maybe he has too much business to be personal and to explain things.

No... As I stated, you wanted to use certain parts and no matter how much I tried to explain why they were not the best choice, you refused to listen...

Good luck and POST THE RESULTS...

Oh well, i didn't want to be the same ol' afr/fti/eddy stang....so Ed sue me. No flame to you afr/fti/eddy guys

No that's Snoozer-loser's job...

Ed

"thanks for the link guys".....

 

[donjohn]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!

now that is a MAN, intelligent and to the point in his defense.

jeez guys, as long as killer is leading the charts with his afr/fti/ebrok combo, how can people say this guy doesn't know what he's talking about?

 

[94DreamGT]

Great post Ed

And in case any of you missed it...notice how he kept referring to:

POSTING YOUR RESULTS!!!

It doesn't matter how you get there, whether it be with AFR's and a Custom Cam or Stock E7's and an alphabet cam. I respect any combo that is fast. Dyno numbers are just fluff for the most part in my opinion...it's the results at the track that matter.

 

[95snoozer]

Ricer??? WHAT, are you serious??? What is your problem? It seems like all you like to do lately here is start ****, you remind me of Darkpony from the corral. Is it a texas thing or something, you both seem to have the same piss poor attitudes which is unfortunate. 99% of us here are here to help each other, but more often that not you seem to express your opinions and make smart remarks. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but when they are juvenile and serve no purpose for the others here, its a waste of webspace and time for the others here trying to enjoy this hobby and help each other out. You didn't used to be this way, you used to help, but it seems that you have developed the same attitude that Darkpony did when he ran 12's. Why? You obviously have good information to give to others here on drag racing, weight reduction and such as you accomplished something that even I thought was not likely, but the attitude you have lately makes me want to avoid post by you. It was attitudes and such that ruined the corral... I really hope the trend doesn't continue here...

i was like this before i got here, i just held my tongue and rolled my eyes at posts.

there are tons of fast95s around me here. Most refuse to post here because of a few little reasons... the same things that bother me, but i enjoy the site and like to help when i can.

he didnt say the combo was crap he said it would "slow me down"
{in a heavy sn95}


I am glad ed had to call me a name in his response

also dark pony got an attitude because so many peopel called on him, you yourself wanted slips when i ran. well I can mail you the timeslip. it has a phone message drawn on the back and is all crumpled up

to the gullwing vortech mustang.... you are going to need every inch of that blower for me. i hope your bodykit doesnt blow off while you are going too fast.

94dreamgt... thanks for your disposition.
yeah my car dynoes 246 just like killers dynoed 29X

 

[95snoozer]

Ed Curtis is a really good guy that has done so very much for the mustang community. I can't sit by and watch some wanna be racer bash his good name.

his cams are badass, the fti fox bodies hold records in many many classes, just liek AFM has one or 2 of the blower cam records.

he just pisses alot of peopel off because of the business man he is. It wouldnt be that much of a big deal if he hadnt .... nvm there is even more to the story which i am not dragging anyone else into this thread

 

[tmoss]

Dyno numbers are just fluff for the most part in my opinion...it's the results at the track that matter.

Put two guys in the same car and you'll get different results. One guy will get more of the power potential out of it, so the track times do not speak directly to the engine potential. Dynos take that variable out even though they have others - just like the track.

 

[wytstang]

Ummm..I thought this tread was about comparing two intakes