1-D-1 w/ Transgo?

jaymac · Apr 7, 2005

Just got my car back after the tranny rebuild on Mon.
I've babied it for a few hundred miles, but tonight I couldn't help myself anymore.
I found a long, empty driveway (golf course) and did 2 practice launches and WOT runs. I only did it twice, so didn't really get to develop any techinque.
I've never driven any car down a strip, so it's all new to me.
T R A C T I O N I S D E F I N I T E L Y A N I S S U E ! ! ! ! ! !

launchng from D, I foot braked to around 2000 rpm's. I know, I could've and should've gone higher..., I mashed it and it just burned the tires for a good distance, then took off pretty good... much better than before.

Then, put it in 1, foot braked to 2000 ( ), then mashed it and the tires started SCREAMIN' and kickin' out to the side, RPM's shot up to 5500, by then everything was a blur, and I ended up snapping the shifter all the way into OD instead of D!! Doh!
That sucked.
But the good thing is that I was so distracted by the insanity of the new tranny that I lost all common sense! now that I've experinced it, I'll be able to try it again sometime with a clear head!!

Anyway, this brings me to my question:
It's painfuly obvious that I have to work on my launches, but as far as the transgo kit is concerned, can I still do the 1-D-1 now?
I only did it about a dozen times before the rebuild, but I wasn't sure if I could do it with the transgo kit "safely" or not.

Thanks for any reples, and if you happen to have any AOD (w/ street tires) launching advice, that'd be great too!

J

gt90stang · Apr 7, 2005

jaymac,

Yeah, I've done it the following way many times with no problems. Just start out in D and when it shifts out of first into second let it get to 4K RPM then pull the shifter back into first. Hold second until you want to shift into 3rd and then shift it into D again. Transgo told me this was safe and it has worked fine for me.

Good Luck, Don

notchback · Apr 7, 2005

you will tear it up no matter what shift kit is in it.

the valvebody needs to be reconfigured to a 1-2-3-OD shift pattern to manually shift it properly.

the "shuffle" will cause some intermediate clutches to be engaged when they shouldn't , and intermittent clamping of the od band which is ultimately the failing point and cause of ALL aod rebuilds

as far as advice on launch...just feather the gas more, or get some cheater slicks

Modular2v · Apr 7, 2005

how much was your build....i think im going to do a full build up on my 88s aod

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

Modular2v said:
how much was your build....i think im going to do a full build up on my 88s aod

Parts were $924 shipped (see sig, w/o stamped steel drum)
Labor was $750, but included stamped steel drum and rear main seal.

I'm lovin' it....

erics91stang · Apr 8, 2005

if you continue to do the 1-2-1 shift you will be rebuilding your trans again..
that action is extremely hard on the trans. do it right and get a lentech or PA
valve body.
I bought the lentech and was by far the best investestment i ever did on my
AOD. an electronic switch you add enables you to lock out OD like the newer
AODE's. you can hold each gear to any rpm and have firm tire chirping shifts.

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

erics91stang said:
you can hold each gear to any rpm and have firm tire chirping shifts.

I want tire chirping shifts....

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

I did, however, get a nice neck snap on the 1-2, but I want tire chirp!!!!!
hmmm... maybe after I get the heads and intake installed.
If I still don't get a chirp, I'll call Len back....

davs5.0 · Apr 8, 2005

Jay, you're not really going to get those chirps with the higher stall converter. What you will get is alot more acceleration. the chirps are fun but they are hard on parts.
As for advice on launching an aod on street tires, get better tires. Seriously you'll have to learn the tires limits and feather the throttle to keep spin to a minimum. for the track, drag radials or DOT slicks are the only way to go.

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

In reality, "chirping" is not that important thing to me... but it would be fun sometimes!

For what it's worth, today from a stop sign, instead of foot-braking, I just stomped it and flashed it. The tires barked once and kicked to the side for a split second but then bit and took off sweetly.
It definitely flashed to 2800-3000 then pulled like nuts!!!
Would this be my best bet, rather than foot-braking, just to flash it??

BlownStangGT · Apr 8, 2005

jaymac said:
I did, however, get a nice neck snap on the 1-2, but I want tire chirp!!!!!
hmmm... maybe after I get the heads and intake installed.
If I still don't get a chirp, I'll call Len back....

the coupe im buying, I took it down a on ramp, left it in D, smashed it, it took of started to break the tires loose a little...then 1-2 shift it chirped the tires all stock except flows welded in place of stock mufflers

rsw007 · Apr 8, 2005

davs5.0 said:
Jay, you're not really going to get those chirps with the higher stall converter. What you will get is alot more acceleration. the chirps are fun but they are hard on parts.
As for advice on launching an aod on street tires, get better tires. Seriously you'll have to learn the tires limits and feather the throttle to keep spin to a minimum. for the track, drag radials or DOT slicks are the only way to go.

dave mine barks second and drive with sticky tires and 3000 stall. but i do have manual vb.

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

BlownStangGT -- that sounds pretty wild -- how sure are you that it's completely stock???

rsw007 -- what kind of VB do you have?

rsw007 · Apr 8, 2005

its a pa brand full manual.

monte87 · Apr 8, 2005

Hey JAYMAC-

hi Jaymac-

Hows the new stall converter??? let me know-Before-I spend the cabbage? hahahhha Is it too loose or tight? Can you feel a difference???

i think the best bet for shifting out the AOD is starting out off the line in 1 and then bringing it up to 4500 and shifting it to D upto 5500 and then bringing it up one last time to OD and then let it control itself.-and your off and running! thats what i do. i have the Trans-Go shift kit with 4.10's and a B&M T-Handle ratchet shifter. she moves pretty well. Told ya-Im looking into getting the 2800-3000 converter...

Hit me back-Bro-Anthony
Thanks

P.S. i never do the shuffle!!! no good on trans....

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

Monte - what up?
I do like the converter, but it is definitely loose. Depending on the throttle pressureand driving conditions (going up-hill, getting stuck behind slow people, etc.) it can rev up to 2000 rpms before you really start to go. I've gotten pretty used to it, though. I really don't have anything to compare it to, however, as I've only ever had a stock stall, and even with that, my tranny was slipping anyway, and I've never driven a car with an in-between stall...
For you, if you do most of your driving in Manhattan, I would not do a 2800, with all the stop-an-go and bumper-to bumper, the higher RPMS could get really annoying. Maybe 2400 would be better for the city
Even driving around Astoria w/ a stop sign or lights @ every block, I wouldn't like my 2800 as much, for what it's worth.
However, if you mostly use the car outside the city, or on the strip, 2800 is liveable.
I'll tell ya, though, when you stomp on it like you mean it, it gets up and goes!!
But like I said, I've never experienced a 2400-2600, so I have no real basis for comparison.

Let's put it this way -- I have no regrets!

Let me know what you're gonna do!

J

monte87 · Apr 8, 2005

Jaymac-Glad to see you like it!

Jaymac-
Glad to see you like it! Did you upgrade to a hardened input shaft?
Whats the normal stall speed for a stock stang???

So basically, she feels like a dog down low, until you get into it near the stall speed? is that what your saying, if you were driving in NYC?? Let me know-J.

Thanks Anthony

p.S. Before i get mine, i can have Andre set it way before, if thats the case..

jaymac · Apr 8, 2005

I didn't get the hardened input shaft since I got the Lock-up unit, and I really don't beat on it on OD anyway. I may regret it later, but it should be fine.
The normal stock speed is 1600-1800 rpms.
My converter now is right on. I flash it from a standstill, and it flashes right to 2800, the tires squeal, then it hooks and goes!
It doesn't feel like a dog down low, it just feels like the tranny is slipping (because the converter actually is slipping). If you've ever been in a car with a slipping clutch, that's what it feels like, like your rpms are climbing, but you're not moving that fast.
BUT- this is ONLY under super-light throttle. If you give it 25% throttle or more, it'll move nicely, but it will go up to 2000 before it starts to move nicely. If you're feathering it (like you have to do in Manhattan traffic alot), then it takes more RPM's to roll slowly bemper-to-bumper, but I can get it rolling with as little as 1100-1200 rpms. it depnds onthe condition and angle of the road surface you're on, too. like I said, it really depends on where you do most of your driving.
I would like to see what a 2400 stall feels like, but I'm not unhappy with the 2800 by any means... I'm still feeling it out and experimenting with different driving conditions and situations though.
I'll let you know as I keep playing with it, though.
I think your best bet would be to try to find someone on here or at E-Town who has a high stall TC and see if they can take you for a ride to feel the behavior of the car cuz IMO it's alot different in low-speed driving.

Let me know what you're thinking...

rsw007 · Apr 8, 2005

i broke my input shaft. the pencil shaft is also used in drive so it can be broke easily. your car might stall a little higher due to being a heavy vert. what did andre set the torque multiplication at?

ramjetlx · Apr 8, 2005

No problems with 3000 stall in the city

I also have a Transgo shift kit with a 9" 3000 stall and 4.10 gears. I drive 90 % of the time in the city and only on the freeway to get to the track. It drives like my stock setup but revs to 2000 rpm when taking off. I guess my gears help out alot also.There is nothing drastic about it!!!The only bad thing is that it sucks alot of gas, I put about 60 dollars a week in it. When I race with the kit I just floor the $%#* out of it and it never kicks into OD. If I dont, it will kick into OD. I learned that the hard way. My trap speed was 78mph when it shifted into OD, but around 98mph when it stayed in third. I just left the shifter in D and floored it, I mean my leg was hurting mashing it down. I thought there was something wrong with the kit but I contacted Transgo and was told to drop it down a gear if it shifts into OD. Never tried it yet though. However, one last piece of advice. If the kit shifts into OD, come off the throttle and slam it back in. It will drop back into 3rd. Thats normal too according to Transgo. Hope this helps you out.....

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