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14# KB + Forged Engine GT = waste of time?

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drexebo

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If you were planning on going forged, do you think using a 14# KB kit would be a waste of potential on a forged gt or would you recommend getting something like Kidd's NOVI setup and running 20-something pounds of boost? Would a 14# KB last longer than a 20-something# centrifugal, or is longevity just no more an issue on forged engines?
 

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depends, how much power do you want? if 500rwhp is enough for you, it will be worth it. who knows, it may be more hp.
 

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PSI has nothing to do with it. What do you want??? You can have 500 rwhp at 12psi if you want.
 

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if you had the heads worked over with cams and a porting job along with a killer tune intake and exhaust mods, the 14# kit would get well over 500rwhp. I'm sure its been done by someone though.
 

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Its possible with 14psi on a Modular 4.6ltr do get well above 500rwhp. Hell, Ide go as far to say with the right cams, headwork, exhuast, and tuning, you easily break 600rwhp.
 

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well I'd just be lookiing for the maximum power that I could possibly take advantage of in a forged engine. I can envision a KB kit with heads & cams hitting close to 600rwhp, and I think Kidd's stroker is a good landmark example of what a supercharged stang should be @ 663rwhp. I guess the ultimate goal for an engine like this would to be able to hand 90% of the 03 cobras on the street their a$$es.
 

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drexebo said:
well I'd just be lookiing for the maximum power that I could possibly take advantage of in a forged engine. I can envision a KB kit with heads & cams hitting close to 600rwhp, and I think Kidd's stroker is a good landmark example of what a supercharged stang should be @ 663rwhp. I guess the ultimate goal for an engine like this would to be able to hand 90% of the 03 cobras on the street their a$$es.
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Why only 90% ? More like 100% because their arent enough aftermarket parts out for them 03 Cobras....yet.
 

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the local shop here just put an stock pullied s trim on gt with champion ported heads and one of vt's cams set ups along with all of the supporting mods(i think just an intake plenum no bullitt)and pulling a buttload of timing and a fat fuel curve it was all over 500rwhp. I think it was hitting 10lbs of boost. With a few more pounds of boost, leaning it out a bit more and adding in some timing just think what it could do.

before h/c it was putting down high 300s for rwhp
 

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Jackie Chan said:
the local shop here just put an stock pullied s trim on gt with champion ported heads and one of vt's cams set ups along with all of the supporting mods(i think just an intake plenum no bullitt)and pulling a buttload of timing and a fat fuel curve it was all over 500rwhp. I think it was hitting 10lbs of boost. With a few more pounds of boost, leaning it out a bit more and adding in some timing just think what it could do.

before h/c it was putting down high 300s for rwhp
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has anyone seen the MM&FF issue with the "project ice box" Vortech'd GT? (the one with the tacky flag vinyl) Heads & Cams + 12psi Vortech put down about 540rwhp... but that was after a pulley change due to the 2psi loss from the new H/C combo.

Do you think this drop in boost would happen w/ the KB as well? I just don't want to hit something like 540rwhp and realize that I have absolutely no hope of ever increasing power in the future.
 

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You would get a drop in boost with a motor running ported heads, cams, full exhaust, etc with any blower. The problem is that KB doesn't make a pulley smaller than their "14 psi" pulley for the little 1.7 so you'd have to have something custom made and then deal with the belt slip. They have a 2.2 in the works that "supposedly" just made over 600 hp on a engine dyno running a shm motor.

Fwiw, I ran a 1200 cfm T Trim (17 psi) when my car made 663 rwhp, not a novi.

I believe T&J is putting a car together right now with a KB, 5.0 Stroker, ported heads, cams, the whole nine yards, so you might keep your eye out for those results.
 

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its your ride, you have to decide... but when you are talking about 20+ lbs of boost, you are talking about astronomical amounts of power... more than I would want on a street ride. I say, just because you can go nuts with the power, doesn't always mean you should... the rest of your car is going to take a severe beating if your pumping out 700 lbs of tq... just something to think about.
 

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micool said:
You would get a drop in boost with a motor running ported heads, cams, full exhaust, etc with any blower. The problem is that KB doesn't make a pulley smaller than their "14 psi" pulley for the little 1.7 so you'd have to have something custom made and then deal with the belt slip. They have a 2.2 in the works that "supposedly" just made over 600 hp on a engine dyno running a shm motor.

Fwiw, I ran a 1200 cfm T Trim (17 psi) when my car made 663 rwhp, not a novi.

I believe T&J is putting a car together right now with a KB, 5.0 Stroker, ported heads, cams, the whole nine yards, so you might keep your eye out for those results.
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wasnt there a car they already did? i know i read about a kb powered 2v somewhere that was putting down some power.
 

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Jackie Chan said:
wasnt there a car they already did? i know i read about a kb powered 2v somewhere that was putting down some power.
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Yes, ralan made 507 rwhp/56? rwtq with a VT 5.0 longblock at 14 psi. I meant (I wasn't specific enough) that T&J has a car that they built the motor and ported the heads on that is getting a KB. Two of them, I believe. If I'm not mistaken ralans car made 500 rwtq by 2800 rpm.
 

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tontot77 said:
its your ride, you have to decide... but when you are talking about 20+ lbs of boost, you are talking about astronomical amounts of power... more than I would want on a street ride. I say, just because you can go nuts with the power, doesn't always mean you should... the rest of your car is going to take a severe beating if your pumping out 700 lbs of tq... just something to think about.
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Agreed.
 

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The kenne bell gt that was there (laser red) put down some nice numbers (low 500's) so there is potential but I would wait for the 2.2 if you wanted to really turn up the wick on a built motor.
 

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neoclasiccl said:
The kenne bell gt that was there (laser red) put down some nice numbers (low 500's) so there is potential but I would wait for the 2.2 if you wanted to really turn up the wick on a built motor.
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Did that car have ported heads though or just a built shortblock?

Btw, 500 rwhp= plenty of juice to get into the 10s......

*EDIT* Nevermind, I think that car did have ported heads on it but not a stroker. I don't know what "stage" the heads are though.
 

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Did that car have ported heads though or just a built shortblock?

Btw, 500 rwhp= plenty of juice to get into the 10s......

*EDIT* Nevermind, I think that car did have ported heads on it but not a stroker. I don't know what "stage" the heads are though.
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I am pretty sure they are stage 2 heads but I could be wrong. Jeff put it together so fast I couldn't look
 

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Why only 90% ? More like 100% because their arent enough aftermarket parts out for them 03 Cobras....yet.
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wanna bet?
 

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DBMSTNG said:


wanna bet?
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wanna bet?
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No.
 
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