It appears to be true that the powdered metal rods will not handle forced induction! Can you believe FORD did this after all the bragging about how great & overbuilt this engine is! They probably want to supercharge a 5.0 for the GT500 it'll have forged steel rods of course so they kicked the GT 5.0 down a notch! Not happy about this at all with all the waiting i did to purchase the 2011 GT 5.0!This now may be a no sale situation!I'm now wondering how much expense it would be to install a good set of rods? I've also read elsewhere on the net that they (FORD) planned for the future (HP) with this engine allowing for mounting of a supercharger!What they seem to not know or just aren't telling us the rods would need to be replaced first.This stinks i was so ready to buy! I hope i used enough MAD smiles in this post!
It appears to be true that the powdered metal rods will not handle forced induction! Can you believe FORD did this after all the bragging about how great & overbuilt this engine is! They probably want to supercharge a 5.0 for the GT500 it'll have forged steel rods of course so they kicked the GT 5.0 down a notch! Not happy about this at all with all the waiting i did to purchase the 2011 GT 5.0!This now may be a no sale situation!I'm now wondering how much expense it would be to install a good set of rods? I've also read elsewhere on the net that they (FORD) planned for the future (HP) with this engine allowing for mounting of a supercharger!What they seem to not know or just aren't telling us the rods would need to be replaced first.This stinks i was so ready to buy! I hope i used enough MAD smiles in this post!
First off look at the power a stock 3v can handle and as for the 11:1 it's of no consequence the problem isn't boost it's detonation so if you add boost with a proper tune there will be no problem with the rods or the compression. You guys are stressing and the car isn't even the show rooms yet! Relax all the blower companies will sort that out, the forced induction industry isn't going to die.
I know there will still be superchargers out. It would just be nice to have a strong starting point like with the terminators.
Not going to happen because they have to keep the car in a certain price range. They (Ford) knows there will be customers that want to increase power but not a very large percent will go blower route, I'ld say 80% will end up with CAI's and exhaust mods so they're not going to increase the cost of the car for an engine block they don't feel is required. FRPP does a lot of business with those Whipple kits that bring Ford in some extra income I'm sure they are testing boost limits and "safe" tunes as we post. I hope.
.... I;ll be honest I am seriously considering the FRPP Whipple kit. I know some of the kits maintained the warranty but did the 550hp kit for the 05-10 maintain the warranty? I am hoping the new kits will have a 600hp and 650hp option.
WOW! Ford gives you a 100 more HP and you guys still find something to complain about!
Actually the PM rods can be as strong or stronger the SAE 4340 forgings. It really depends on what the OEM manfacturer specs out. Here are a couple of intresting links.. One is on Metaldyne, who is on of the largest suppliers to OEM, the other is an aftermarket company who makes PM rods for specialty race engines.
Howards Racing Components Powder-Metal Forged Rods
Wizard of rods: Metaldyne dispells the myth that powder metal isn't tough enough for diesel con rods - page 2 | Automotive Industries
The metaldyne article is referencing Diesel Con rods, but same point.
I would be real intrested in who makes the gt rods for Ford and there Mechanical Properties.
Who knows at 1.5 overall safety factor, That would put the limit around 600HP.
Its certainly not that simple, but with a 7k redline..one can only hope ford didnt skimp in this area.
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