331 build-up: periodic update

SoCalCruising

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My last update concentrated on the shortblock. Since then, I have received just about all of the other major components and have continued to mock-up the engine. I have spent a lot of time on matching the ports of the AFR 185s to those of the RPM Air-Gap intake manifold. The ports of these are not a great match. The ports on the AFRs are larger and the corner radii are larger than that of the intake. It's a little like fitting an oval and square together.

The first thing I found was that the manifold's ports were too high - the top of the RPM's ports were above the top of the head's ports, so an edge would be "seen" sticking into the port roof by the intake charge. That's bad news. I also noted that the end rails of the block and manifold did not sit parallel to each other - one side sat higher than the other by about .030" and the low side was bottoming out on the end rail. Also, bad news.

For those not famliar with how to go about checking port match "out-of-the-box", I'll explain. You need three measurements:
1. the distance on the head from the top of the valve cover rail to the top of the port.
2. the distance (with a fully torqued-down intake manifold now in place) from the rail to the top of the manifold at each port
3. the distance on the intake manifold from the top of the port to the top of the manifold (i.e., the thickness of the port roof on the manifold)

Take these measurements for each port (because they may all be different).

If the resulting measurements "2" + "3" = "1", above, then the top of the ports (intake to head) will match perfectly. Since these parts are not precision made, you will likely find each port will be a little different. In practice, getting the intake port roof to sit about .030" below the top of the head's port is about optimum. That's where I start.

From there you can mark the port width on each part (use felt tip marker and rule), assemble the manifold to the heads (i.e., to the longblock) and see how the ports mate laterally. You can also make measurements of the ports' depth and determine how the floor of the ports meet. the key is to register the roof of the ports, first and then work to the floor. It's not too tough, but it takes time.

If you find that you need to have the manifold machined, as I did, in order to lower the ports, the amount to tell the machine shop to mill off is the same amount that the port roof is too high on the HIGHEST manifold port. Let's say that the highest port was .020" above the roof of the head's port. The rest were close, but all a bit lower than this one. Now, I want the intake's port roof about .030" below the head's port, so I would remove .050" from the manifold's machined surfaces. You can use your judgement, depending on the variation from port to port - meaning that if all the others are lower than this one port, you might just take .040" off in order to have the one port .020" below and the other ports closer to .030" below. Hopefully, you won't have one port way higher than all the others, which might require some port work to get a better match.

Pay attention to the end rail gap. If you don't have much end rail gap before machining, machining material from the manifold port surface will reduce the end rail gap further. In my case, I had to have the end rails of the manifold machined, too. How much? To keep the end rail gap constant (the same as before machining the port surfaces), multiply the amount taken off the port surface by the square root of "2" (1.414). This assumes that the intake and head mating surfaces are machiuned at 45 degrees, which is about right. Because my manifold did not sit level, I had it angle milled .040" on the high side and .070" on the low side. It now sits level with about .020" end rail gap and the intake ports are just below the head's ports.

Now I have to decide if I will massage the manifold's port shape to better match the heads. I'll probably widen the intake's ports a bit and try and find a way to lower the floor. The porblem is that you don't want the port volume going large-small-large, etc. You want uniform volume, or a taper from the plenum to the valve pocket. A taper is preferred by yours truly. I'm not sure that I can achieve much enlargement of the ports and still maintain a taper, or even uniform volume. A single plane manifold would be easier, but .... that's not what I got. I may just have to live with the port shapes, or just do minimal reshaping.

One take-away message from this is that you must not assume that a bolt-on part is truly bolt-on. I would have lost some real horsepower had I just bolted things up and assumed the match was okay.

I got the wrong water pump and am waiting for a replacement before I can completre the mock-up. Talk to ya later.
 
SoCalCruising said:
It's a little like fitting an oval and square together.
I spent about 12 hrs. on the heads and intakes before I even got to put the heads on the motor. All CNC marks taken out. I ended up gasket matching to a felpro 1262. I barely removed anything from the intake. But yeah, that kinda pissed me off when I saw that the intake ports where that high above the head intake. It took if I remember right. like .055 off each side to get it down right. Now I have a $330 intake, that I mat never be able to sell.
 
Update on intake manifold and water pump

Water pump issue:
I'm using an Edelbrock water pump (passenger side outlet) and find that the water pump pulley and the mounting points for the alternator brackets are .100" off. There is not enough room between the alt. bracket and head to fit the alternator (3" for alt. and 1.625" for spacer). So, the alt. doesn't fit and the pulleys are not in line. If the water pump had a backing plate that was .100" thicker, everything would be fine (it has a thin backing plate, btw). Has anyone else run into this? In the meantime, I am having +.100" spacers machined to bring the alt. bracketry forward and to bring the water pump pulley forward .100". The water pump spacer will be carefully machined of aluminum for good balance, since it is rotating.

Intake manifold:
I gave up on the RPM Air-Gap and bought a Stealth. The quality of the casting is far superior to the RPM: less casting flash and better runer shape. The mold looks to be of a higher quality. I have similar issues with port shape (too square compared to the rounder AFR 185's ports), but I'm starting with a better casting. I used the Edelbrock for practicing porting aluminum - most of my prior experience was on cast iron heads. Anybody want the RPM for $10 +shpg? :D

From past research, I know that most of the flow in the intake and head ports occurs in the upper half of the port. So, I concentrated by modifications there. Particularly, I used the burr to raise the roof of the intake to be .020-.030" down from the roof of the head's port. Then I widened the port by about .060" at the top of the port and tapered the opening as I went to the floor. I also tried to increase the radius of the corners of the port to match the more rounded ports of the AFRs. The ports could have been widened more than .060 at the top, but I limited it to this width for a reason: I went over the intake's as-cast ports and runners to see which runner had the least taper (they did vary). Once I found that port, I determined how much the port opening cound be widened without destroying the taper of the runner. Once that was determined, I opened up all the ports and blended the runner to achieve as much taper as feasable (I limited the work to within 2" of the port opening). The ports wound up looking mildly trapezoid (wider at top, narower at bottom) with decent taper remaining. I'll try to remember to post a picture of the port in the next days. My overall goal is to increase flow and keep velocity high throughout the cross sectiopn of the port. We'll see after I get it dyno'd down the road.

Please comment on the water pump/brackets/pulleys issue if you have similar experience. Thanks.
 
I just got my stealth in the mail a few days ago. The ports seemed a bit small to me. How well do they match up to the AFR's?

It has also been my experience that weiand's castings are better quality than edelbrocks. The machiniing seems to be better also.
 
The ports are about the same size as the RPM, 1.02 x 1.8, or so. The Afrs are 1.2x2.0, or there abouts - I don't have my data here at work. The AFR ports have very rounded shoulders, a radius that must be twice that of the Stealth.
 
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