Wendell Scotts 360 was a truck wedge engine. he did not have the money for a 427 let alone a custom desrtoked 427. they got it from a wrecked pickup and built it themselves and won the race with itD.Hearne said:OK got me there-- I confused comments PoliceInterceptor's commonts with RonStang's As for cobra232's post----- the 360 that was used in Nascar was a destroked 427 not a 360 out of a pickup. The 330 and 332 are very different engines. The 330 had a 4" bore and 3.3" stroke, the truck FT 332 was a 3.75 bore x 3.5 inch stroke. And not all FT's had steel cranks
Umm, I'm curious about the build up. At the end which engine was bigger and heavier?PoliceInterceptor said:I do at least agree that the Windsor is a better choice for a 65-66.
BTW, you should pick up copy of September Mustang and Ford where in your glorious Windsor got bested (505.4 hp vs 486 hp) by a Station Wagon Motor despite having a cubic inch advantage (423 vs 427.6)
There was a destroked 427 Nascar motor, using the 330's crank but it specs out at 371 cid. There may have also been a sleeved version to decrease the bore size to get to 360 also. A 4.13 bore with a 3.3 crank would get you 353 inches. I seriously doubt anyone winning a Nascar race with a garden variety 360 FE unless the rest of the cars in the race DNF'd. I don't recall which, but there was a cast crank version of the FT in the 70's it was the 359 and 389. The 361 and 391's had the steel cranks. As for the nickle block thing, probably the foremost authority on FE's has done extensive research into the casting techniques and has found NO evidence of Ford ever using nickle in their blocks. It appears to be an uban legend of sorts.cobra232 said:Wendell Scotts 360 was a truck wedge engine. he did not have the money for a 427 let alone a custom desrtoked 427. they got it from a wrecked pickup and built it themselves and won the race with it
you would need a 3.125 inch stroke to destroke the 427 all the way down to 360 and use a super long rod. not great for racing
you are correct with the 332 car and 330 FT engine though, i forgot they were different
the 361 edsel 360 truck and 359/361FT truck all share the same bore/stroke
most FT's had steel cranks the older ones didn't but all were heavy high nickel content blocks. i wish they were crossbolted like the late 406 and 427"s
Sure Ford put more of them in station wagons and pickups, but what I said, was there were more of them in Stangs and Fairlanes/Torinos than 428's and 427's combined. And a 390 isn't all that more heavy than a 351W. Dress one with aluminum heads and intake and it'll weigh less than a factory Windsor. As for optimum bore/stroke ratios. that's debateable. Stroke a Windsor to equal a 390, and whatever advantage you saw there disappears.Hack said:I stand behind what I said before. I hear what D.Hearne and others are saying about the 390 making a lot of power, and Ford put a lot of them in Mustangs? I would have expected that Ford put most 390s in station wagons and pickups, though.
The 390 is more suited to a pickup or a station wagon, because it's heavy and torquey. The bore/stroke ratio is not optimum for high revs.
D.Hearne said:Sure Ford put more of them in station wagons and pickups, but what I said, was there were more of them in Stangs and Fairlanes/Torinos than 428's and 427's combined. And a 390 isn't all that more heavy than a 351W. Dress one with aluminum heads and intake and it'll weigh less than a factory Windsor. As for optimum bore/stroke ratios. that's debateable. Stroke a Windsor to equal a 390, and whatever advantage you saw there disappears.
i have chemically tested 361,391FT blocks and a 427. both had high nickel content compared to a 352,a 360 and 3 390's i tested.D.Hearne said:There was a destroked 427 Nascar motor, using the 330's crank but it specs out at 371 cid. There may have also been a sleeved version to decrease the bore size to get to 360 also. A 4.13 bore with a 3.3 crank would get you 353 inches. I seriously doubt anyone winning a Nascar race with a garden variety 360 FE unless the rest of the cars in the race DNF'd. I don't recall which, but there was a cast crank version of the FT in the 70's it was the 359 and 389. The 361 and 391's had the steel cranks. As for the nickle block thing, probably the foremost authority on FE's has done extensive research into the casting techniques and has found NO evidence of Ford ever using nickle in their blocks. It appears to be an uban legend of sorts.
If you have proof, then go to the Ford FE big block forum on Network54 and post it there. There are quite a few FE followers there that would appreciate the info.cobra232 said:i have chemically tested 361,391FT blocks and a 427. both had high nickel content compared to a 352,a 360 and 3 390's i tes
Now you're trying to make it sound like I advocated sticking the 390 into a 65-66, which I did not. You need to go back and read what i posted. As for small tube headers, that's not necessarily going to hurt a larger cube motor, especially on the street. I've run relatively restricted Shelby Tri-Y's with a 7500 rpm Canfield headed roller 5.0 and the way it pulled all the way up to there, you'd never guess they were there. Bigger isn't always better.blown65 said:exactly, so for the money you can have a rebuilt but mild 390, hack up the front of your car and fit it in. OOOORRRRR stroke a 351 up to 435cubes and fit it right in and prob save yourself some $$ and end up with more HP/TQ. Only prob is your still going to have somewhat small headers for such a large cubic inch motor. I believe they make 1 3/4 swap headers but for a 427 inch motor thats kinda small IMO. 393 is what alot of ppl seem to like building up cause its more of a budget motor.
yuck. that's like putting a 350 in a 40 chevy. yeah $hit is cheap for them but who hasen't done the windsor or 350 chevy?65straightsick said:You save money on the front end work and you have more horsepower and torque for the same amount with a lighter engine. Unless you would want to brag about having an FE...there is no reason you shouldn't stroke a windsor. Like Blown said...it is more of a budget motor...but it is still fast
ratio411 said:I wouldn't recommend the swap...
BUT:
It will fit.
Several companies make headers for the swap. I doubt very seriously you could get a set of manifolds to work in that swap.
Dave[/QUOTE
Ratio... Who makes headers to put an FE into a 65- 66? I am very curious, because I have always been told that the FE engine physically will NOT clear the shock towers in the early models. I thought that was the reason they redesigned the shock towers in '67 to fit the 390.
I am an avid FE fan and I also would not advocate an FE into a 65 or 66. It would probably be a nightmare laying that out. Stick to a windsor or cleveland.
65straightsick said:If you want my personal...not professional opinion...go for a 351W. With the aftermarket availibility...you could stroke it out to a 393 and woop the pants off a 390.
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