4.6L vs LT1/LS1

gibson89LX · May 4, 2005

starchman said:
I hate to admit it (at least on this forum), but I sure would like to test drive the 05 goat. It may be ugly, but you can't really argue with the hp/tq from a 6L LS2.

I'd rather an 04 'bra for around the same price It's nice, but it's overweight at almost 2 tons(3800 lbs) I have a feeling the cobra'd eat it. It's not bad though, I'd drive it if someone gave it to me
I still hold true that my favorite late model pontiac is the WS6 bird, plain and simple.

EDIT: Also, one question. Me vs an automatic LT1 with a borla catback and a panel. Who'd win?

300bhp/ton · May 4, 2005

gibson89LX said:
EDIT: Also, one question. Me vs an automatic LT1 with a borla catback and a panel. Who'd win?

good question, when I've looked around before most people tend to agree that a stock LT1 fbody (or do you meen Vette) is capable of a 14.2 ET, with 14.0-14.8 being a sensible range. So if you can run around a 14.5 second ET then it certainly is possible.

mattkimsey · May 4, 2005

I've had my T/A for 8 months now and right now it isn't running because the crappy slave cylinders that GM used. Other than that it's been a good car. I like the 6 speed aposed to a 5spd. My 99 z28 was abused everyday at it begged for more.

I don't like the long dash.....harder to clean...I don't like how water builds up in the hatch...I don't like the skip shift or the crappy speakers. Overall, most I can live with most and I could fix half the problems for $50 bucks.

I like the looks of the late model fbody better also....the 94+ Mustang just seems to tall to me. The fact that you don't see a T/A on every street is also a plus.

starchman · May 4, 2005

gibson89LX said:
I'd rather an 04 'bra for around the same price It's nice, but it's overweight at almost 2 tons(3800 lbs) I have a feeling the cobra'd eat it. It's not bad though, I'd drive it if someone gave it to me
I still hold true that my favorite late model pontiac is the WS6 bird, plain and simple.

EDIT: Also, one question. Me vs an automatic LT1 with a borla catback and a panel. Who'd win?

I think if you had a decent launch, you'd kill it. You're right about the Cobra eating the goat; I occasionally visit a goat forum, and they (generally) have great respect for the 03/04 Cobras. The thing is, what about a BLOWN goat? One can only imagine...

stangman16 · May 4, 2005

300bhp/ton said:
The new C6 Z06 will have the LS7 7.0 litre (or 427ci) engine.

I sure wish Ford would come out with a 428 CJ for the '07 Cobra, that would be awsome.

BigJohnson9859 · May 4, 2005

ls1s are fast but a friend of mine had an 02 z28 at 20k miles it was burning oil like no other he switched to an 04 cobra and wishes he bought the cobra in the first place

300bhp/ton · May 4, 2005

stangman16 said:
I sure wish Ford would come out with a 428 CJ for the '07 Cobra, that would be awsome.

it'd be cool in bragging terms maybe, but a twin screw 5.4 has greater power potentail than an n/a 7.0 for road use.

And it will be a more usable power band too, the higher you tune an n/a car to more revvy they get. And as a street motor I can't beleive that the LS7 will put out more than 85bhp/litre (595bhp) which is serious grunt. A supercharged 5.4 should easily see 120bhp/litre (648bhp).

However both of these are way more than ANYONE needs just to commute to work or go to the shops.

And if its a track car, well what the hell get a dedicated race engine and have 1000+bhp in a car weighing half that of the Corvette.

BlackenedSVT · May 4, 2005

starchman said:
I hate to admit it (at least on this forum), but I sure would like to test drive the 05 goat. It may be ugly, but you can't really argue with the hp/tq from a 6L LS2.

That thing weighs a ton though, and the Mach 1 is just as fast, with more accessable mods, and cheaper parts. Just get a Mach...it also isn't as ugly.

KronicRacer · May 4, 2005

the redneck thing cracks me up. the camaro has a deep heritage too (racing wise) mark donohue ring a bell. back to back champions 1968-1969 scca transam series. it wasnt just that they won it they dominated the feild.

starchman · May 4, 2005

UDTBadkarma said:
That thing weighs a ton though, and the Mach 1 is just as fast, with more accessable mods, and cheaper parts. Just get a Mach...it also isn't as ugly.

How do you figure? The Mach has only 300 HP; I know that HP doesn't tell the whole story, but that means that the goat has 33% more HP than the Mach. Are you sure you're not thinking of the '04 goat?

CatmanJJ · May 4, 2005

If the Mach and '04 Goats are a driver's race then with an extra 50 hp for '05 I'd have to give the nod to the GTO.

Blue70 · May 4, 2005

mustang70 said:
I swear I'm the only one that never had a problem with the build quality of my F-body.

Nope, I never had a problem other than a power window motor going out.
A bunch of us visited the track a lot and none of us had problems, T-tops never leaked, rearend never broke, ect. My 03 Mustang I bought with 13,000 miles had way more rattles inside (tracked them all down and fixed them)

I think the Mustang looks better, but the F-Body is proven on a skidpad to handle better, and is also quicker/faster to boot.....But I'll keep my GT for now

Either one can have problems, but neither one should if it's taken care of.

Only thing that piS$es me off about Ford is all the problems people are having with the 3650 and no recall

BlackenedSVT · May 4, 2005

starchman said:
How do you figure? The Mach has only 300 HP; I know that HP doesn't tell the whole story, but that means that the goat has 33% more HP than the Mach. Are you sure you're not thinking of the '04 goat?

Oh ok maybe i am talking about the 04 Goat, i didn't realize u were talking about a NEW one. I know when the GTO first came out, MM&FF had an article about it, and the GTO was running 13.5-ish and the Mach was running 13.7. And then the Editor of the mag jumped in the mach and pulled a best of 13.4. The Mach has 305 (doesn't it?) and the GTO has 350, but weighs a lot more. So it IS a driver's race.

But the NEW GTOs...well thats another story i guess. Aren't they making them like 400 or 500hp?

BlackenedSVT · May 4, 2005

Blue70 said:
Only thing that piS$es me off about Ford is all the problems people are having with the 3650 and no recall

That would be a lot of cars to recall........

white99gt · May 4, 2005

This subject has been beat to death.Feel free to SEARCH before posting.

Plus this is hardly tech.

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