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degins

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More prototypes to report on. Here are production prototypes of one of CSRP's projects, KH type front disc brakes for 65-67 Mustang/Failane/Falcon. I plan to have a full system available by the end of the year.
 
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bnickel

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looking good, have you thought about doing these calipers in aluminum? i don't know why i didn't think about asking you that sooner, before you sent them out for casting

i can't wait, though, for my set of drop spindles with a set of these calipers and some nice slotted rotors, that'll rock

keep up the good work Dennis and let me know if you need anything.
 
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The parts look great.

Aluminum would be nice (and popular). Or actually, I'd like aluminum versions of the bigger Lincoln/Thunderbird 4 piston Kelsey Hayes calipers. That's what I'm going to use (the cast iron versions that is) and is basically what they were using on the racing Boss 302's and other 60's racing Mustangs.
 

degins

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bnickel said:
looking good, have you thought about doing these calipers in aluminum? i don't know why i didn't think about asking you that sooner, before you sent them out for casting

i can't wait, though, for my set of drop spindles with a set of these calipers and some nice slotted rotors, that'll rock

keep up the good work Dennis and let me know if you need anything.
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Yes, I considered casting them from aluminum, but they would cost quite a bit more. My primary focus is daily drivers, so economic performance comes first.
 
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bnickel

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degins said:
Yes, I considered casting them from aluminum, but they would cost quite a bit more. My primary focus is daily drivers, so economic performance comes first.
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that's cool, was just asking. i guess that anyone who really wants an aluminum version and wants to spend the coin they could always get the version made a certain one of the big name companies.

the same place also makes an aluminum version of the big lincoln calipers, however no one makes a reasonably priced caliper adapter bracket for the big lincoln brakes. an affordable version of that bracket would be nice.
 
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nice do you happen to do the bracket to retrofit the early t-bird/linclon four piston caliper to the 69 big bearing spindle?? if so I want a set
 

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I'd love to see how this pans out....I'm doing the C-V set-up on the rear this week, I'll be looking for something to do to the front to compliment them.
 

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Im kinda lost, I just installed my Granada power disc brakes. Will your calipers work with those brakes?
 
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project.65 said:
Im kinda lost, I just installed my Granada power disc brakes. Will your calipers work with those brakes?
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no, unless he has a secret bracket project he hasn't told us about. these are repro's of the original 65-67 Kelsey Hayes 4 piston calipers.
 

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iapexl8r said:
nice do you happen to do the bracket to retrofit the early t-bird/linclon four piston caliper to the 69 big bearing spindle?? if so I want a set
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I'll look into it.
 
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degins said:
I'll look into it.
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sweet
 

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no, unless he has a secret bracket project he hasn't told us about. these are repro's of the original 65-67 Kelsey Hayes 4 piston calipers.
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so those calipers only work on 65-67 OEM disc brakes? what brackets are you talking about? sorry if those are dumb questions. I'm a newb
 
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bnickel said:
that's cool, was just asking. i guess that anyone who really wants an aluminum version and wants to spend the coin they could always get the version made a certain one of the big name companies.

the same place also makes an aluminum version of the big lincoln calipers, however no one makes a reasonably priced caliper adapter bracket for the big lincoln brakes. an affordable version of that bracket would be nice.
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Do you know the name of the place? I definately don't need them, but I would sure like them

iapexl8r said:
nice do you happen to do the bracket to retrofit the early t-bird/linlon four piston caliper to the 69 big bearing spindle?? if so I want a set
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Cobra Automotive makes them (as do others who are offering vintage racing parts). Not cheap though at $380 a pair. I started making my own, but I gave up and bought them instead. Now if I only find the time to install them.... (little change that is going to happen any time soon, as I'm building a big garage at the moment).
 
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project.65 said:
so those calipers only work on 65-67 OEM disc brakes? what brackets are you talking about? sorry if those are dumb questions. I'm a newb
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these will work on 67-73 drum brake spindles. the bracket i'm referring to is the original style bracket that adapts the calipers to the stock drum spindles, the other part in the picture. so unless Dennis has a bracket that will adapt these calipers to the granada spindle, these calipers won't work with granada spindles, i don't think he has or is even planning on making such a bracket, my remark was supposed to be humorous.

he is however working on a bracket that adapts a late model 2 piston PBR caliper from a 99-04 mustang GT or V6 to the granada spindle so that is something to consider once he has them ready.
 

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A huge improvement for these would be to make the cross-over tube for these things internal. ATE calipers have internal cross-overs and they are much nicer to work on. I don't know if something like that would be in the cards, it may not work with the design of the caliper. Just an idea to check into.
 

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A huge improvement for these would be to make the cross-over tube for these things internal. ATE calipers have internal cross-overs and they are much nicer to work on. I don't know if something like that would be in the cards, it may not work with the design of the caliper. Just an idea to check into.
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Thanks for the suggestion, I have eventual plans for a second generation product. This first generation product (the stock KH type caliper) is intended to address the market segment that wants to use original wheels and/or OE design on their 65-67. The KH repro kits currently offered are entirely too expensive. If the design works out, I may apply these to the drop spindle as well.

I wonder if there is much demand for a 4 bolt rotor for this application. It would probably still not bolt up to original 4 lug wheels, but would allow 6 cylinder owners to upgrade to front disc without having to change the rear end.
 
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How much is too expensive for you ? I paid $750 for my package on Ebay, new everything. I think that is pretty reasonable. If you can do it as well and cheaper then great.
 

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How much is too expensive for you ? I paid $750 for my package on Ebay, new everything. I think that is pretty reasonable. If you can do it as well and cheaper then great.
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$500 is too expensive.

The big guys use a business model that can not be sustained. They rely on "dealers" to sell their products. They are forced to market the product in order to inflate its perceived value to a point that both they and the dealers can charge a price that generates enough profit to support their business. This 3 level marketing (and even 4 level) has been used in the auto parts industry forever, and is in the process of becoming made obsolete by the internet. Because of the internet, guys like myself can reach the market directly (2 level marketing). The manufacturer using 2 level marketing can reduce the retail price by 40-60% without sacrificing quality or customer service.
 
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degins said:
$500 is too expensive.

The big guys use a business model that can not be sustained. They rely on "dealers" to sell their products. They are forced to market the product in order to inflate its perceived value to a point that both they and the dealers can charge a price that generates enough profit to support their business. This 3 level marketing (and even 4 level) has been used in the auto parts industry forever, and is in the process of becoming made obsolete by the internet. Because of the internet, guys like myself can reach the market directly (2 level marketing). The manufacturer using 2 level marketing can reduce the retail price by 40-60% without sacrificing quality or customer service.
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and have a more loyal following as well.
 
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And be more responsive and responsible to the costomer.
 
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