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randyp83

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What kind of mods does it take for the foxes to keep up with 300 Hp 05 GTs?
 

Mustank

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Heads, cam, intake and or power-adder.
 

randyp83

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Hey i'm in Germany too. I'm in Mannheim.
 

Mustank

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randyp83 said:
Hey i'm in Germany too. I'm in Mannheim.
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Wow small world. I'm in Schwetzingen.

Do you know about www.mightymustangs.net? If not - go check it out. European mustang community - mostly American and German. My screen name there is Beaster.
 

Foxfan88

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Mustank said:
Heads, cam, intake and or power-adder.
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IMO it doesnt even take that much, i think with a gear swap, and all the bolt ons a fox will hang with the 05+ cars ( not saying they will win/blow it doors off, the newer cars has more weight to pull around. so that 300 horse doesnt go as far as one would think.

an average joe thats inexpierenced at driving will only manage 14s in an s197 car(but hear of them running 13s with good driving), from what i have seen myself at the track. and its super easy to get a fox to run high 13s/low 14s with just simple bolt ons. but if the driver in the new car is good, its going to take more for the fox to win.

just my 2 cents
 

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I'm with foxfan all it takes is a steep gear and some good tires and go from a dig.
I beat one from a dig put about a car n half till top of 2nd then he started pulled up next to me till I quit around top of third so about 80 I had him by a half a car.Would of beat him by more but I just have the nitto 555's so I spin a fair amount.
 

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Twice I ran against 05+ GTs with my 92 LX/GT and by 30 had a length and by 60 had three lengths and could not pull away anymore. I had a 306 running 9:1, underdrives, MAC shorties, MAC H-pipe, MAC Exhaust, Centerforce Dual Friction, Stock Gears, 70MM PP T-body, PP Typhoon Plenum, Cervini Ram air box and I think thats it. So a 302 with thoes mods and gears should have no problem
 

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Foxfan88 said:
IMO it doesnt even take that much, i think with a gear swap, and all the bolt ons a fox will hang with the 05+ cars ( not saying they will win/blow it doors off, the newer cars has more weight to pull around. so that 300 horse doesnt go as far as one would think.

an average joe thats inexpierenced at driving will only manage 14s in an s197 car(but hear of them running 13s with good driving), from what i have seen myself at the track. and its super easy to get a fox to run high 13s/low 14s with just simple bolt ons. but if the driver in the new car is good, its going to take more for the fox to win.

just my 2 cents
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In regards to a good ole fashioned drag race, that is correct. It wouldn't take much for a well-running 5.0 5-spd to hang with a new Mustang.

But take that race to the highway and start from a roll and the new Mustang will still walk away. The newer 4.6's are highway screamers. Even in my '03, i would race my friends in their 5.0's and they would win from a stop, but i would destroy them from a roll on the highway.

They are just all top end pull.
 

Foxfan88

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Mustang5L5 said:
In regards to a good ole fashioned drag race, that is correct. It wouldn't take much for a well-running 5.0 5-spd to hang with a new Mustang.

But take that race to the highway and start from a roll and the new Mustang will still walk away. The newer 4.6's are highway screamers. Even in my '03, i would race my friends in their 5.0's and they would win from a stop, but i would destroy them from a roll on the highway.

They are just all top end pull.
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yeah didnt think about that.
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
In regards to a good ole fashioned drag race, that is correct. It wouldn't take much for a well-running 5.0 5-spd to hang with a new Mustang.

But take that race to the highway and start from a roll and the new Mustang will still walk away. The newer 4.6's are highway screamers. Even in my '03, i would race my friends in their 5.0's and they would win from a stop, but i would destroy them from a roll on the highway.

They are just all top end pull.
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Yep, the huge pricetag can be easily defeated using a properly breathing, correctly geared 5.0. Jump on em out of the gate the key, let the old school bottom end torque do its thing. Get your shifts right, surprise a guy who spent $30K- Fox's are great fun, aren't they? And I wouldn't try it with an aod car, you need the 5-speed gearing. Those 4.6's wind all the way up, not peaky like the pushrod motor, so the highway is a bad idea without a blower or the flat tire spikes the police use!
 

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Strippt88 said:
Yep, the huge pricetag can be easily defeated using a properly breathing, correctly geared 5.0. Jump on em out of the gate the key, let the old school bottom end torque do its thing. Get your shifts right, surprise a guy who spent $30K- Fox's are great fun, aren't they? And I wouldn't try it with an aod car, you need the 5-speed gearing. Those 4.6's wind all the way up, not peaky like the pushrod motor, so the highway is a bad idea without a blower or the flat tire spikes the police use!
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But some people don't care about pricetags. I for sure didn't when i went out and bought a new GT. All I cared was that I was in a brand new car where everything worked and nothing needed to be fixed and it didn't ride rough or feel old.

I'm sure these guys going out and buying $30K mustangs aren't doing it because they don't want to build a Fox. They are buying them because they want a brand new car with 0 miles on it vs a 20-year old Mustang.
 

5spd GT

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The 05-08 GTs trap can trap 104 mph stock.

Stock 5.0Ls trap low-mid 90 mph in pure stock form.

The new 3V 4.6Ls with bolt-ons and ported heads are at 350 rwhp. All from just 281 cubic inches and drives GREAT. Technology is wonderful thing...

The 3V cars weigh 3,4XX lbs, and my LX 5.0L weighed 3,170 lbs.
 

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up till top of second you might have some lengths but after that look behind he will pull on you its a common fact of life, weve been runnin the stangs around here for a couple years and every 5.0 stock or not will pull 2-4 lengths out and then the 4.6 just reels er in, cauleys built pi swapped 4.6 ate everything alive over 40mph, it wouldnt stop pulling...
 

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I never had an issue with 5.0s off the line, unless they had steep gears.

If they both have the same gears, I give it to the 4.6L from my experience.

It only takes a second to get up in the 4.6s "sweet spot."
 

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I've only raced one 05+ GT at the track, i got a great reaction time(.030?)and pulled on him instantly a couple cars, by the end of the track he had caught me but i still won by about 1 car or less, it was close...BTW this was when i had 3:08 gears, a 4cyl T5, stock 302 with performer intake and edelbrock 600 carb. Keep in mind he has only run the car a few times down the 1/4, and by the time he offered a race i had been down the 1/4 about 20 times that day. With my street tires and 2.1 60' times, beating the hell out of it i could only get a best of 14.52, and i forget the MPH but it was about 97-98. This year at the track is gonna be a whole nother story...
 

ryan218

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Mustang5L5 said:
In regards to a good ole fashioned drag race, that is correct. It wouldn't take much for a well-running 5.0 5-spd to hang with a new Mustang.

But take that race to the highway and start from a roll and the new Mustang will still walk away. The newer 4.6's are highway screamers. Even in my '03, i would race my friends in their 5.0's and they would win from a stop, but i would destroy them from a roll on the highway.

They are just all top end pull.
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i agree
 

stykthyn

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as you said your car is stock and he cant drive, not a very good comparison.
 

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I ran a 2006GT and won just about every time. Was close good racn though. You can see my light moddage in my sig. I was running hime before my headers were installed, not that , that would of made a huge difference, just some added info.
His 2006 GT , 5-spd, Flowmaster mufflers, and a Vert... Vert probably made him heavier, but hey I still won....
Here's a vid of one of the runs, It's dark but you can see the final results byt the light @ the end. Oh yea keep in mind this is a 1/8th mile, and yes toward the end he was closing in...

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Yall tell me if this vid does not work. It does not want to work on my work computer for some odd reason, it worked before??
If it does not work then click this link, that goes to My Myspace.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13734449
 

grey5.0beast

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it works, cool kids lol
 

RUNINAGT

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grey5.0beast said:
it works, cool kids lol
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YA their alright I guess . My son is 12 and he is facinated with Stangs.. He's has always been the screaming @ the track.... Even when I lost he would tell me, Dad you need to run him again, cause I know we will win..
Oh yea and Grey thats the wife filming and saying im racing the Bumble Bee car. That was before Transformers came out.
 
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