92 5.0L Won't start when hot....

I've replaced the starter, TFI module and FPR and today i disconnected the ECT Sensor to see if it would start and it still wouldn't. It turns over very strong
It starts up fine when the engine is cold but once i turn it off after driving it for a while or letting it idle it will not start again for several hours. We also checked the distributor and rotor and didn't see anything wrong. My dad and i don't know what else to check anyone ever have a problem like this before?
The engine is in my Jeep and i would like to get this fixed before it starts snowing. My 95 GT doesn't like the rain and i am sure it won't like the snow :(
 
Does the ignition produce spark when you are trying to hot start?

You need three basic things to start an engine:
1.) Air
2.) Fuel
3.) Spark (electricity)

Eliminate one and you have a large problem. Now, is your motor still EFI or did you swap to Carb? How about headers... Are you running long tubes?
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor
E.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars


2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/article...c-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
WOW thanks for all that info.
most of that sounds like if the car won't start at all though.
This car won't start at all if the engine is warm or hot. It starts up instantly if its cold.

What would make it do that besides the ECT sensor?
 
Cobra5.0Jeep said:
How do i check that?
JR covered it a above too. You put the noid light on an accessible injector and watch the light while cranking the motor over. If the light pulses, that suggests the injector is being supplied with constant key-on 12 volts as it should, and that the puter is pulsing the ground signal to the injectors. This rules out a PIP.

Otherwise, look for bad wiring, the TPS reading WOT or a bad PIP (if you also have no spark).

Of course you have to check for spark, injector pulsing and fuel pressure when the car wont start.

Good luck.
 
Heres a picture of the beast...
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Cobra5.0Jeep said:
How hard is it to change the PIP sensor? Someone on another site mentioned it is a hard swap.
If you have spark when the car is acting up, your PIP should be fine. If it was bad, you would not have spark.
 
Well i was going to do that check list today but of course it would start everytime i tried except once and then i tried it again and it started! I didn't even touch it today all i did was drive it into my dad's garage! I let it run with the fan turned off until it got over 180 degrees then i shut it off and let it sit for 3 minutes and then started it and it fired right up. I don't understand at all! It starts kinda funny but i don't know what that means.
I went down to the autoparts store just for the hell of it and bought a pip sensor and a ECT sensor. After i couldn't get it to not start i let it cool off and installed the new ECT sensor then i drove it around. The first time i drove it, felt like it was missing in 1st and 2nd gear when i did my uturn (randomly today i can't hear out of my left ear at all so i couldn't tell if it was missing, but it felt like it was)
Anyway i drove it onto my dad's lift and left it there (first vehicle to be on my dad's lift) I am going to see what happens tomorrow and then i am going to go get some gas for it.

I also tried running the codes and it wouldn't let me do it. ONE thing i did notice today is when i would start it the check engine light stayed on longer than it usually does. :bang:
 
Yeah i noticed today that the Alternator was doing some funny things. I am going to take it off sometime this week and see if i can get it rebuilt, or i might buy a 94-95 alternator and install that one. I need a high amp one to run all my accesories.