ok, after doing a little E-shopping. I am ready to concede. using strictly NEW parts, the cost for BOTH engines is the same +/- a few dollars. I am sure that scouring the web for best deals could knock a few hundred off here or there, but I only looked for 45 minutes and both a 408 or 6.0 Gm motor run in the ballpark of 7500-8400 depending on brand of part selection. If anyone wants a list of the parts I was looking at pm me and I will be happy to send it to you.
Thank you, that's about what I was getting at. It sounds easy to do when throwing around horsepower figures and quarter mile times, but once you get it all down on paper, there's no real savings when comparing new parts.
Just curious....did you also factor in the needed swap parts in order to install the LSX engine into the Mustang as well, or was this just a price comparison between the engines themselves?
On the flip side I could easily see used JY GM motors being more cost effective as you dont see a whole lot of 351 based strokers in the wrecking yard, but dollars to donuts. new parts for either are identical.
I don't disagree. Used parts will most certainly offer a cost advantage. You only then have to worry about said condition of used parts and whether or not you're willing to push that kind of power through/make that kind of investment into a set up that you have no idea what its past history has held?
And again, as stated....we've also got to factor in the additional cost of swap parts (transmission, clutch assembly, accessories, brackets, K-member, ignition, wiring, exhaust, lines, hoses, radiator, gaskets, bolts, etc, etc) into the mix to really see the big picture. And knowing how expensive these items are, I'm willing to bet that the cost, overshadows the benefits.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT POWER WITH A STOCK BOTTOM END AND OFF THE SHELF HEADS, I NEVER SAID YOU COULD BUILD A CAR FOR 3500 MAX, GO BACK AND READ WHAT I SAID, LONGBLOCK WITH ELECTRONICS FOR 3500, IF YOU DIDNT KNOW, A LONGBLOCK IS A SHORTBLOCK PLUS CYLINDER HEADS.
When it comes right down to it, the first guy was making mid 10 second power with a 3200 lb race weight, you said no way could someone make that power without dipping into the bottom end, well that guy proved different. HP is HP, no matter what car its in, what the rest of the car is, and the motor is still an untouched bottom end with cylinder heads that were untouched off of a GTO.
And the second car had a small shot on it(125-150), went mid 10's on motor and then went 9.80 on spray at 144.
But on a more serious note, the lack of technical information and ignorance on this site is just really bothering the **** out of me lately, and every thread with good information in it gets bombarded by whoever can talk someone else into a corner, no matter if what they are saying is right or wrong, so i think im done here, i really do like 5.0talk but seriously, its like everytime someone says anything but FORD RULES on here, theres an ******* waiting to fart on them. So i guess this means i'll be spending my time on yellowbullet and corral from now on
I'm sorry you've got such a twisted account of our conversational exchange. You simulating shouting by typing it in bold lettering doesn’t make it any more relevant BTW. I made no mention of "building a car" for $3,500. The $3,500 amount was your answer to my request for you to put the engine together and make the swap. Please don't chastise me because you've got issues with reading comprehension. I realize you now state that you made reference to only the being able to build a long block for that price, but in others you made inference to building LSX’s with big, reliable power levels and dropping them into the Mustang chassis without readdressing the cost. If you've got an issue with my requesting clarification or qualifying my points, then I really don't know what to tell you. Perhaps if you took the time to list and qualified your own points right from the beginning instead of making blanketed statements and dismissing mine, this wouldn't have turned into the pissing match it did?
In any case, I'm quite aware now that the reason you chose not to, was to be frank, because I believe you were half talking out of your hat, and probably didn’t care enough to look in depth into it to start with, but the hissy fit and the "I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude makes you look the foolish one here, not myself, or the other members who would otherwise disagree with your opinion.
As far as the rest of your post goes….again, I don’t argue his times, or power levels. He put together a combination using used and junk yard parts that worked well. I don’t contest this fact, no matter how many times you choose to bring it up and make it sound like I do. The only issue here, is that you refuses to accept that a person could do the same with used or junk yard Ford parts. You seem to believe that since junk yards aren’t full of big inch strokers because Ford never build one from the factory, that a person having to build one themselves is going to break the bank? I’ll counter that with the supporting drivetrain, exhaust, ignition, cooling, chassis accessories, brackets and misc swap and build parts needed to install said LSX series engine (as stated above) into the Mustang chassis, overshadows the money saved on buying the used short block! So really….in the end, what have you gained with the Chevy engine swap? You’ve realistically spent more money to go just as fast as you could have, had you stuck with a Ford based power plant. You’ve gained the uniqueness of owning a cross bred vehicle at the end, but that and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee at the end of the day.
If you want to shuffle off your own short sightedness onto others because you can’t hold an intelligent debate without losing your ****, then that’s on you! If you want to leave and head over to another board because you can’t help but insult the other members of this site with statements like of “the lack of technical information and ignorance on this site is just really bothering the **** out of me lately” because you can’t formulate a plausible response, then don’t let the door hit you on the way out. I see plenty of good information in this thread…some of which was even contributed by yourself. If you can’t recognize it and choose to dismiss it all because of a difference of opinion, then Yellowbullet or The Corral might just be the best place for you.
If you chose to go, rest assured you’ll be missed by many (myself included), but your attitude right now is toxic and unnecessary.
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