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a little awareness of an ebay scam (another one....)

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66moneypit

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Ok....here's the skinny on how one scam works. Or at least one of the scams people are using. (Sorry in advance it's so long of a post). This one is different because it targets the person selling the car.

They want to buy your car and pay MORE than you are asking for your car. Why would they do this you say ? They supposedly have a friend who owes them money and in exchange for you being the middle man they will give you MORE than you are asking.
So if you are asking 10K they offer you 11K because their "friend" owes them 12K. So do the math.

12K - 10K - 1K= 1K left over that they want you to WIRE to them. Now here comes the fun part....

They say they will send you a cashiers check for the your amount + XYZ. They want you to WIRE them the difference.
The banks will deposit your check but the term "clear" is deceiving because banks HAVE to give you access to the money from any checks you cash within 5 days of depositing it and most banks don't even wait that long. So you go 5 days and you don't hear anything from your bank you have access to the funds and you think it's all great.

Then a few more days go by and you hear from the bank that the check didn't clear. Checks are still paper dude and any number of things can be done to slow down their processing including using ink to fill in the numbers on the bottom of the check. That totally screws with the computer that reads the check. Then the check has to be manually processed in some cases further delaying you finding out it's no good.
At this point you are out of any money you wire them plus whatever fake money you spent + bank fees.

Red flags are the fact that they give you a check but want you to WIRE them money....

I only post this in the hopes that it helps someone avoid alot of heartache.... There's a good writeup about this in Smart Money magazine a while back. It wasn't related to Ebay and cars but the scam was identical.
 

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Forms of this scam have been around for a long time. Only hope is they get caught, then neutered/spayed so as not to reproduce.
 

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your about a year late.Im trying to sell a few things and keep getting these people that have a shipper,send a money order, etc.I just tell them to f-off now,its a waste of my time
 

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iskwezm said:
your about a year late.
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Longer actually. ALOT longer.

Simply put, why would anyone appear out of nowhere to give you free money? Correct answer: they wouldn't.
 

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These bad apples are all too typical.

After more than 170 transactions on Ebay, I've been approached by them on almost every vehicle I've sold, maybe half dozen or so.

The other thing to be aware of is counterfiet bank checks.

When selling, try to get a deposit via paypal (yea the charges stink) or, in cash. And if the buyer is out of state... think about requiring them to wait to pick up the car (or send the title) until the check has cleared.

A friend sold a boat, buyer sent a "certified bank check" the check initially cleared, but he got a call from his bank a few days later to alert him the check was counterfiet / fraud. Thankfully he'd not yet finalized shipping arrangements.

Ebay is a great tool, but not without it's problems.
 

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2nd Mustang said:
Forms of this scam have been around for a long time. Only hope is they get caught, then neutered/spayed so as not to reproduce.
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With a plasma cutter too.
 

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I have a friend that was mailed the check. I am not sure if he went through with the deal or not.

The check looked like it was printed on a brown paper bag.
 

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A nother hinte is they did not now how to spel veryy well eithere
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I know a few people that have spotted the possible scamer and lead them along (while posting the emails on the message boards). They make them go to the trouble of sending the counterfeit check and then ignore the repeated requests for the wire to be returned. They finally come clean to the scamer and tell him that he has been scammed.
 
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1995cobraR said:
A nother hinte is they did not now how to spel veryy well eithere
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I know a few people that have spotted the possible scamer and lead them along (while posting the emails on the message boards). They make them go to the trouble of sending the counterfeit check and then ignore the repeated requests for the wire to be returned. They finally come clean to the scamer and tell him that he has been scammed.
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Now that would be fun....LOL....
 
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exactally!

I had the same exact thing happen a few times.
A few on ebay and a few actually in the 'Recycler' (things for sale paper)

The proper name for these is "419 Scam"
allot of them come out of Nigeria for some reason.

They send you fake cashiers checks or money orders, then you send them the goods with some overpayment cash back. and by the time your bank figures it out later, its too late.

Also Beware of the following guy on Ebay :
MandMracing also known as kpkplating or kpkracing
in Illinois, he just screwed me over for a 750DP carb, and now im finding out he's screwed others too.

DONT SHIP TO PO BOXES!!!!!
 

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I think just about everyone that has been on Ebay for any length of time has either been scammed, ripped-off, or had the attempt made on them.

If you dont mind a long read, here's where someone did scam the scammer.
The Powerbook prank. It got rather elaborate toward the end.
 

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How many people actually fall for that type stuff? I could maybe understand when the internet was first getting big and people tended to be a bit more naive and trusting, but that type stuff just screams scam.

-Chelle
 
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i was selling an mr2 a few years ago and got the same offer. knowing it was a scam i told the guy to wire the funds to a local western union and i would be glad to wire the additional cash back. needless to say he never responded back.
 

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Usually, if something seems too good to be true......sadly, it is.
 
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t_chelle16 said:
How many people actually fall for that type stuff? I could maybe understand when the internet was first getting big and people tended to be a bit more naive and trusting, but that type stuff just screams scam.

-Chelle
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Enough to make it worth the time it takes the person running it to do it. If it pays off less than 1% of the time that one payoff is more than simple gas money. Plus they are only out of time....not any real cash. The cost to run the scam is nil....
 

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65ShelbyClone said:
I think just about everyone that has been on Ebay for any length of time has either been scammed, ripped-off, or had the attempt made on them.

If you dont mind a long read, here's where someone did scam the scammer.
The Powerbook prank. It got rather elaborate toward the end.
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that is so funny, just finished reading it, i wonder what happend to the jeff guy???
 

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I had a guy offer me the same scam last year for a supercharger I was selling. I let him send me the cashiers check. I wanted to see how authentic it looked. I knew it was a scam. I still have the check somewhere. The second time I recieved an email like that I sarcastically plaid along. I told him to send me the overdrafted cashiers check so I could send him the difference less my expenses blah blah blah. He knew he was caught, and offered to let me in on his scamming. He was going to make some counterfeit cashiers checks for the sum of $900 each. I was to get a fake ID and cash them at different locations so to not draw attention, preferably out of state. I found out later that cashing more than $1000 they have to call it in. These guys are sneaky. I'd love to introduce them to my tire iron.
 

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65ShelbyClone said:
I think just about everyone that has been on Ebay for any length of time has either been scammed, ripped-off, or had the attempt made on them.

If you dont mind a long read, here's where someone did scam the scammer.
The Powerbook prank. It got rather elaborate toward the end.
Click to expand...

 
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