mootang said:well if your not in a huge hurry it would definatly be worth the wait to save a few extra dollars and go that route!
mootang said:I hear ya! but trust me I've done the same thing, had parts sitting in my room and instead of waiting and saving for a $250 part i just went with the weaker of the two parts and now I'm going to have to go through and buy all new parts and basically pay for it twice anyways!! I'm talking about buying gears, install kit, and eaton posi, and staying with my stock axles. so now I'm going to have to replace all of that plus installation fee because of the different spline count!
If you can force yourself to wait you will thank yourself later!
but in the end it is your decision, just think rationally and don't do something you'll regret later. either way good luck with your new combo!
scott
Therian said:hey guys, I really appreciate your help on this, and I hope we can all learn from it, cause I used the search tool extensively and I couldn't get all the information I needed.
My plans in the future are to do a TT setup. But I wanted to get the 185s one summer (with new pistons, possibly new rods...hell I might go 331) and bolt them on and then wait another summer or two before going to the turbos.
It seems we have some conflicting information here...from FTI, a guy that builds engines for 30 years and Paul...whom I trust very much. Intuition tells me to go with Paul on this one. And I don't understand why the 185 would be too much for a 302...I don't really see the velocity being that much of a problem that the heads would actually make the car slower.
I do not want to buy a set of 165s only to buy 185s a year or two later. I'm a firm believer in buying something once, and not having to buy it again...even if it costs money in the short term.
My main goal is to have something I can rev decently high, has street manners, and can be driven often (I don't want a freaken drag car). And one last thing, I hope some of you guys can answer...
no bull****, is it SAFER to take a 302 to higher rpms than a 331 (I know a 347 would be less safe).
i wouldnt say the heads will make the car slower, but you will definitely be suffering in the low end. ill give you an example even though it is with a different set of heads. i bought a used set of twisted wedge heads from a buddy of mine. they were completely worked and ported as much as they could possibly be opened up. i put them on with my gt40 intake and tfs stage 1 cam. this is all on a stock bottom end by the way. the car had nothing at all down low. it would only start pulling after 3k rpm's. the car actually felt faster before the heads even though im sure that was just my imagination. all we are trying to tell you is that the 185 is not the head to go with on a n/a 302. if you are going tt in a year or so though thats a totally different ballgame. i agree with not spending the cash twice especially when we are talking about a $1400 set of heads. as far as the motor goes, if you are going to do it, do it right the first time. save the extra cash and go with the 331. you will thank yourself for it down the road.Therian said:It seems we have some conflicting information here...from FTI, a guy that builds engines for 30 years and Paul...whom I trust very much. Intuition tells me to go with Paul on this one. And I don't understand why the 185 would be too much for a 302...I don't really see the velocity being that much of a problem that the heads would actually make the car slower.
Therian said:My plans in the future are to do a TT setup. But I wanted to get the 185s one summer (with new pistons, possibly new rods...hell I might go 331) and bolt them on and then wait another summer or two before going to the turbos.
It seems we have some conflicting information here...from FTI, a guy that builds engines for 30 years and Paul...whom I trust very much. Intuition tells me to go with Paul on this one.
fiveoho said:im seriously considering not doing at 306 now and just calling up DSS, Keith Black or ???? and get a 331 shortblock. i know alot of you guys say that the 185s are ok for a 306 with the right combo but it almost seems to me that if i do a 331 then i wont have to worry about it so much. the more cubes should suit that head better. my main concern is if i go that route is getting the pistons notched or getting them with enough relief in them to run my TFS stage 2 cam......and then put it together and end up not having enough clearance. what would happen then.....notch them in the engine or disassemble??
what can i get a 331 shortblock for.....$2200 - $2600 ? higher / lower?
wheres the best place to order from?
another thing: DSS makes their own pistons right? ....im not sure i like that
fiveoho said:special thanks to Methodical for going to the trouble of posting those emails to and from Ed. much appreciated
Methodical said:No problem. Did it answer any of you concerns?
fiveoho said:i know exactly what you are saying. no sense in doing things twice. but like i said, gotta look at the financial perspective of it too. i just got off the phone with Jason at AFR while ago and mid way thru out convo, we got disconnected. couldnt get ahold of him after that so i will try tomorrow. he said the 185s arent bad for a 306...a little big. he wasnt satisfied with my cam choice. we were talking about that when we lost connection. i called back and got another guy and we talked for a few minutes. he on the other hand said he thought i had a good combo chosen, cam and all. so that right there just goes to show you. 2 different opinions from the company that makes the head!!!!
im calling back tomorrow and see what more Jason has to say.
thanks for all your input man
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