After a near accident, What makes Fox brakes so bad?

Sounds similar to what happened to me. Although, with the POS 86 brakes, they won't lock up if you're going over 2MPH.

The 87-93 brakes do have the 11" front disks. But, you have the MASSIVELY F****** UPed front brake set up where one front brake line comes from the MC and the other from the prop valve. As long as you keep that F***** UPed setup, you're SCREWED - PERIOD!

What you want/need is the 94+ Brakes (preferable Cobra) and ABS. That's what I did 7+ years ago. The BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT!!

I NOW have world class brakes. And I do mean world class brakes that compares favorably to ANY car/truck/SUV out there. Yea, their are now better brakes, but from 70-0, the 94/95 Cobra brake setup with ABS on a FOX is as good as *anything* that can be put on a FOX. At those speeds, the tires, body flex, shocks, and so on are the limiting factors, NOT the 94/95 Cobra brakes.

For speeds over 70MPH, the 99+ Cobra brakes or the race brakes do help a little more. It all depends on the speeds you're talking about, and again, the tires, body flex, shocks, etc.

Last, to upgrade to the 94/95 M2300K brake kit, ABS, rims, tires, spare, etc, your realistic price is over $5K. Going with a salvage yard 94-98 Spindles, 99+ GT front brakes, used rims, and ABS, is much cheaper and you still get very good brakes. But, it's a lot more work getting and hunting for parts.
 
I wonder whats involved in swap ABS over to a fox? Anyone done it/seen it done?

The thing I dont get is, I drove a 99 V6. Its got some BALD 195 tires, and those brakes dont dare lock up. Im not sure if it is ABS, but now matter how hard I hit the brakes and how quickly I stab the pedal, the brakes will not lock up. Now on my car, with tires with about 3-4 thousand miles on them, 245's, just getting slightly overzealous with the brakes and they lock up.
 
795.0pacecar said:
The rear drums although an old technology are not bad. I dont understand why everyones knocking drum brakes, they are more powerful than disks, they have more surface area (more pad to drum contact). The problem is they fade quickly and if one side is adjusted wrong the car will pull. On a street car drums are perfectly fine, think of this semi trucks use drum brakes.

Semi Trucks are a horrible example as the Shoes and Drums are Massive in size and they have an air system that actuates a lever to spread the primary and secondary shoes, I dont think you could come up with a simple lever that is going to squeeze Pistons in a Caliper. When I think of Semi Trucks I think of overheated brakes and smelling them burning, the driver having to use the Jake Brake because of the Drums not being able to release all the heat, and run away truck ramps at the bottom of hills. Drum Brakes should NOT be on ANY type of Sporty car period, hell even the most mundane cheap DDs that barely have 100 HP have rear Disc Brakes!
 
fox racer said:
I wonder whats involved in swap ABS over to a fox? Anyone done it/seen it done?

The thing I dont get is, I drove a 99 V6. Its got some BALD 195 tires, and those brakes dont dare lock up. Im not sure if it is ABS, but now matter how hard I hit the brakes and how quickly I stab the pedal, the brakes will not lock up. Now on my car, with tires with about 3-4 thousand miles on them, 245's, just getting slightly overzealous with the brakes and they lock up.

ABS = anti-lock brake system
Even bald tires will create enough drag to activate the abs, unless you're on sand or something.
 
fox racer said:
I wonder whats involved in swap ABS over to a fox? Anyone done it/seen it done?

The thing I dont get is, I drove a 99 V6. Its got some BALD 195 tires, and those brakes dont dare lock up. Im not sure if it is ABS, but now matter how hard I hit the brakes and how quickly I stab the pedal, the brakes will not lock up. Now on my car, with tires with about 3-4 thousand miles on them, 245's, just getting slightly overzealous with the brakes and they lock up.
You need the 94-98 setup. You need front spindles, and the rear axles. The rear rear tires will stick out a little more. So, if you go with 17" rims/tires, you need a rim with more offset. See my sig. Using the sn95 15" tires/rims on the rear seem tight, but okay. I now use 15" snows on the rear so that I can drive my car ~once a week to work during the winter if the streets are in decent shape. I got sick of being able to only look at it in the garage for 4+ months.

For ABS install:
http://www.corral.net/tech/handling/abs.html

A VERY VERY GENERAL overview of ABS:
1) It TRIES to PREVENT lockup by looking at the rate of deceleration of the wheel speed. It also looks at the wheel speed of ALL Four tires.

2) It looks at the wheel speed for ALL 4 wheels. If 1-3 wheels lock up before ~5MPH, it will reduce the pressure for those wheels.


Also, realize that saying ALL ABS systems do "XYZ" is as foolish as saying that ALL CARS do "XYZ". EVERY ABS systems has it's pluses and minuses. The Stang/Vette/Bosch system is BY FAR one of the best out there. The Vette system adds even more abilities (such as taking yaw/tilt into account).

I took some pics when doing my ABS install. It was before digital cameras and taking a lot of breaks to clean off my hands so that I could use my $$ SLR wasn't appealing. :)
[edit] It might help if I post the link to the pics. :) [/edit]
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/joe/brakes/m2300kAbsInstall.html