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I put a 5.0FI 5spd 93 GT engine in my 1970 Mustang with factory air - I replaced the condensor, expansion valve, dryer, lines, etc... It was charged with 134 freon and got cold but started popping the high pressure relief valve - lowered the pressure and stopped the popping but not cooling now. Now there is envirosafe freon in the system (runs appx same pressures as 134) and I can get it to cool a bit but not getting cold. I checked the pressure on the low side - compressor not running 85-90psi drops to 0psi in 5 seconds once it is running - it should be dropping to 40psi when the compressor kicks in - I have ran it like this for 50 miles at highway speed and nothing has changed - any ideas on what I can do to make it go cold. I have added another can of envirosafe and the pressure on the low side goes well over 100psi when the compressor is not turning and down to 0psi in 5 seconds when the compressor is turning - By the way the hot water diverter valve is working, the vacuum doors all work properly, the compressor is kicking on and the clutch is working fine etc...
 
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How much freon is in the system? What does it call for(amount) What does the high side read when the system is on? Usually when the low side drops to 0 there is either not enough freon(which doesn't seem to be your case) or there is a blockage in the system causing the problem. Again, what does the high side read and how much freon is in the car?
 

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normally when i do any ac work on a car and have the lines off before charging the system with r134a i would vacume the system down to negative 30psi or so..you dont want air in the system to start with.
 

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Ugh, I can't read.
There does seem to be a blockage.
 

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I agree with the above ideas with a few more suggestions. I'm thinking there is a possibility that there is some cross contamination among the different refrigerants (and maybe system lubricants) you may have used. If so a system flush could be in order, then vacuum down the system and begin again with a clean start. If I read correctly you are still retaining the 70's style expansion valve as opposed to the late model Fox type orifice systems ? I am curious as to how well these two systems can mesh (we have a '67 coupe we need to do this to as well).
 
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Thanks for the responses guys - I have 2.5 12oz cans of 134a in there now but no dice - same thing going on - I do not have a high pressure guage - just a low pressure one - it will max out the guage when the compressor is off and when I turn it on the guage will drop to 0psi in 5 seconds - I see we are all in agreement that there is some sort of blockage in the system - all new lines, new expansion valve, new dryer, new condensor, used compressor and original evaporator under the dash - at this point I think I will take your insight and go to a qualified a/c mechanic and have the system vacuumed down to -30lbs and have them add a cleaner to the system and see about clearing the lines of any blockages by blowing them out etc... and letting a professional charge the system once this is done - I just hate thinking about someone else working on my car.
 
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Air conditioning FIXED now - I ended up taking it to a shop - they located the problem - the NEW expansion valve was defective and I got another one and a new dryer to boot - they flushed the system, vacuumed it and re-charged it with 24oz of 134 freon, proper system oil, etc... pressures are supposed to be 20psi low side at 85 degrees and 175-200psi high side at 85 degrees and car at idle. As far as the question about orfice tube style compressor being mixed with the expansion valve - they work fine - you have to use one or the other - I was told it was easier to stay with the expansion valve system and just make up the hoses to fit the newer 5.0 style (F6 I think is is called) compressor. Hope this helps someone else...
 

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bsedwebt70-5.0 said:
As far as the question about orfice tube style compressor being mixed with the expansion valve - they work fine - you have to use one or the other - I was told it was easier to stay with the expansion valve system and just make up the hoses to fit the newer 5.0 style (F6 I think is is called) compressor. Hope this helps someone else...
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Glad you got your A/C fixed & thanks for the info.
 
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