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Black87Fox

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My car will start and Idle fine, but If I rev it it struggles to get past 3000 and will die if I let off the throttle, it will also die if I try to drive it as well. Any ideas as to what it could be? I already changed, plugs, wires, cap, rotor, fuel pump relay, I'm getting spark obviously, fuel pressure was good when I tested it. I have no clue what this could be and neither does anyone else that I've asked. Please help!
 

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did you check your timing? from what you described it sounds like how my car ran after I got it running and before I timed it
 
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Yea I forgot to mention we checked the timing, three times haha, it idles perfect like i said that's why I don't understand
 

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Have you pulled codes and checked for leaking plug wires?
 
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HISSIN50 said:
Have you pulled codes and checked for leaking plug wires?
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If I scanned my computer it wouldn't show anything of value since so many things have been deleted.
 

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Again, I would pull codes.

You might want to note all that was done (parts swapping) before it started acting up.
 
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Again, I would pull codes.

You might want to note all that was done (parts swapping) before it started acting up.
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I talked to a few buddies of mine who checked out most every part of the engine without taking apart the internals, they said it is most likely caused by the new heads I put on, possibly a misfiring/nonfiring cylinder or I'm in need of lifter adjustments, possibly something even as small as new plugs, seeing as how no performance shops are open on weekends around here I guess it'll have to wait until monday. I'll keep y'all posted.
 
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Also, I do not have a scanner and I don't know anywhere around here that does. I'm gonna mess with the heads for now and hopefully the problem will reveal itself with some tinkering,
 

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You don't need a scanner

http://*******.com/index.php/topic,2471.0.html

I assume this is an 87? If so, you'll need a test bulb to blink the codes


What was done before the problem happened? You put new heads on? That would be kinda critical to know. Is the car swapped to mass air?
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
You don't need a scanner

http://*******.com/index.php/topic,2471.0.html

I assume this is an 87? If so, you'll need a test bulb to blink the codes


What was done before the problem happened? You put new heads on? That would be kinda critical to know. Is the car swapped to mass air?
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Yea, I put new heads on and it is converted to MAF. I've had two shops look at it, and 7 mechanics outside those shops, including a mustang builder, and no one can tell me what the problem is. I'm about ready to set this car on fire.
 

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Quit wasting time looking for a scanner. All you need is a paper clip and a test light. Post the codes you get and I will post the 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 18-Mar-2011 to advise differences in code information for engine running and engine off codes.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/p-7208-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx– It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
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I'll work on doin that today, I just did a compression test and I got between 95 and 110 on all cylinders
 
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HISSIN50 said:
Have you pulled codes and checked for leaking plug wires?
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Plug wires are new, 8.5 MSD reds
 
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Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned it, but the check engine light is not on.
 
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Found it, Bad ground from the chassis to the block
 

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I wouldn't have thought that could have caused that serious of a problem, but I guess the fuel injection system grounds itself through the block doesn't it? That would make sense.
 
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