Anyone heard of TCS Torque Converters?

[TGJ]

No. He's just informing me this is why he thinks MANY companies torque converters are failing in the 4r70w automatic. He never said he had a problem with his failing in cars though, but I wouldn't be shocked that it hasn't happened. Just we don't know about it yet.

When I spoke with Bill, I told him I didn't believe that a high quality and reputable company like Precision Industries would put a crappy lining in a converter on purpose. He agreed. He even told me and I quote "Precision Industries makes some good *****." In other words, he didn't bad mouth or say anything negative about Precision Industries. He didn't bad mouth anyone. He was straight forward about things, and didn't give me the run around. Very knowledgeable guy as well.

What Bill was trying to point out to me, and what I'm trying to make clear to you now is there seems to be an issue with torque converters in 4r70w automatics failing for "odd" reasons, and I don't think the "quality" of the linings in torque converters or number of plates is really the issue. I've sent SCT guy(Jerry) a PM at Modular Depot to try to get his input, but he hasn't responded yet.

I know of failed Edge "Street Edge" TC's which is exactly what RocketMan has. Now, here is the first ever email by me, to Edge Racing TC's which is West Coast Racing TC's. Just so you know I am not BS'ing about talking to this company.

Hello , and thanks for inquiring,

I recommend a custom configured converter from our "Street Edge" series.
This converter uses the 245mm (9.5") impeller and turbine (furnace brazed).
The 9.5" impeller is the most efficient impeller ever adapted into
performance applications. With 8 impellers and 8 stators to select from this
converter can be truly custom configured with no cutting or bending inside
the converter. This means better launches are a guarantee, better mid ranges
response is guaranteed and no excess heat or loss of topend, guaranteed!

All the gains while retaining 100% of the manners needed for every day street use!
All wear surfaces are fitted for enclosed Torrington bearings for less
drag and improved longevity in performance application. The drive hub and
spline insert of made of 4130 chrome moly steel. The lock up feature is upgraded using the latest "high carbon" friction and anti balloon measure is standard.

Warranted for a full year, with our 100% money back satisfaction guarantee.
The "Street Edge" AODE / 4r70w sells for 565.00 plus shipping
Please let me know if you have other questions, or call us at 888 350 EDGE

P.S.
This converter is currently undergoing revisions and wont be available for custom build until the end of July. Sorry for the delay

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From:
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: Torque Converter for a 96 Tbird


Hi,

I have a 1996 Tbird with a lightly modified 01 Mustang GT SOHC 4.6L V8. I am currently running the stock Mustang Torque Converter on the Tbird. The Tbird is equiped with a 4R70W transmission and a 3.73 Trak-Lok rear end. What I would like to know is, can I get a 3500 Stall Lock-Up Torque Converter( Like the factory one ) for this car. How much would this cost? How much to ship to Regina, SK, Canada? I would prefer the Street Edge series of Torque Converters!

Thank you for your time,

A lot of the TC failures are due to faulty TC's. There is a line pressure mod that can be done to the 4R70W to help, but it won't save a crappy TC.

 

[TGJ]

PM sent to you. Check your messages. Thanx.

Sent a couple back your way.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

Ok. The email proves you emailed them and talked to them, but aside from that, what does that email prove ? You said you've seen WC/Edge converters fail before, but whose have you seen fail ? Please, any links to some articles or pics would be nice.

Second, what line pressure mod do you know of to help the 4r70w automatic ? Last I checked, the line pressure was controled by the EPC solenoid, and accordingly to Jerry's articles over at TCCOA, it is highly advised not to tamper with the EPC solenoid.

The big potential problem I see when it comes to adjusting line pressure is getting enough line pressue to the torque converter clutch, but not over-doing the line pressure with the other transmission accessories, which may be unavoidable. Remember, raising line pressure is like raising blood pressure. It won't just effect one part of the body, but the body as a whole unit.

 

[TGJ]

You can modify the TCC pressure regulator circuit to force max line pressure to the lockup clutch when locking. This was recommended to me by a very close friend of JW's( SCT GUY ) and should be done to any 4R70W running a single plate TC. I don't remember how to do this though.

The user "Toombs" from TCCOA had one from Edge that failed. That one was not a "Street Edge" one though.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

TGJ, thanks for the reply. I never knew about that mod until now. I'll do some research on it, and see what can't be done.

I'm in no way trying to bash anyone's torque converter products. I've had a Precision Industries torque converter in my car, and its been great other than the issue of the plate slippage. I've heard good things about West Coast Converters, with little negative feedback on them. From what I've seen, the torque converter they recommended for you(TGJ) in that email sounds like a solid built torque converter.

Is that to say that simply cause a torque converter "sounds" solid that means it will last ? Not at all. However, I don't care if you have the best built torque converter in the world with 10 friction plates. If you don't get the line pressue and TCC lock up timing correct, you'll blow ANY torque converter. I'm not saying that some peoples torque converters haven't failed due to crappy design. I'm just thinking its better to resolve the line pressure issue FIRST, then worry about bad builds.

In other words, lets not put the wagon before the horse.

 

[TGJ]

From what I've seen, the torque converter they recommended for you(TGJ) in that email sounds like a solid built torque converter.

Is that to say that simply cause a torque converter "sounds" solid that means it will last ? Not at all. However, I don't care if you have the best built torque converter in the world with 10 friction plates. If you don't get the line pressue and TCC lock up timing correct, you'll blow ANY torque converter. I'm not saying that some peoples torque converters haven't failed due to crappy design. I'm just thinking its better to resolve the line pressure issue FIRST, then worry about bad builds.

In other words, lets not put the wagon before the horse.

I thought that too. I would have been the first to buy an Edge "Street Edge" TC on TCCOA. However, between some PM's on TCCOA and asking Edge some questions, I learned that a few things about that TC that turned me away from it.

Doing the TCC Pressure mod will not save an Edge or West Coast Racing Converter as the lockup clutch is smaller and weaker than the stock 4R70W unit. You did know that Edge is using a stock GM 245mm Lockup clutch in the "Street Edge" TC? If not, you do now.

I have done my homework, I am changing TC's for my new motor because eventually the single disc will no longer hold it.

 

[Dark Knight GT]

Yes, I was aware they used a smaller torque converter clutch. I just don't know how much power it will hold. You have to remember the stock one is used to hold the stock converter, which is slightly larger, and much heavier than the converters put out by West Coast converters. How much that effects things, I'm not sure.