Best Long tubes - BBK or MAC

Green Machine

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Trying to break 300 rwhp, and I've heard good things about Long Tube headers.

So which brand has better quality - BBK or MAC ?

Easy of installation - BBK or MAC ?

Do they fit AFR heads alright ?

Which O/R pipe gives more torque with Long Tubes - X-pipe or H-pipe ?

Is it true BBK has now come out with a shorty x-pipe for there LT's ?

Which finish - HTS or polished ceramic ?

I've got FMS shorty's with Bassani O/R X-pipe and I was wondering approx how much more torque and rwhp I'll make with the long tubes and O/R X or H pipe ?

Thanks Dewman

 

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I am going with MACs

but oddly enough in the t347 they tested in MMFF the unequal lengths headers made more peak power than the long tubes. LTs only beat them down low below the racing powerband

 

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I have macs and I had no problems fitting them on the afr's. I dont really know on quality as I have no experience with the bbk's. I love how quiet they are at idle and how loud they are at wot.

 

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I know people will say differently, but I'm real happy with my MAC Ceramic Coated LT's... The fit was great, plus the price was better... Plus I gained 20rwhp, when I switched from MAC shorties, BBK Catted H, and slowmasters, to MAC LT's, Dr Gas X, and Bassani Mufflers.. I'm happy as can be..

 

Sleepy McNastee

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I dont really know on the other questions because I haven't been to the dyno yet.


There is a dyno at the school I'm attending but the teacher who runs the dyno is gone till summer, so I'll have to go elsewhere.

 

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Thanks for the info ! Has anyone found out how much more torque the LT's produced over the shorty's ? Thanks again !

 

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Not much to add here but, i run Mac LTs, last Summer with a Tmoss stock lower i was at like 315 TQ or so...Thats purdy decent for what i had...LTs may have has a hand in that???...Chit, Killer got 20 ponies..thats worth it in my book...I read that article in 5.0 to....kinda surprised me..I thought the LTs would shine...Didn't appear that way...

 

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RIO5.0

Thanks for the reply.

I see you have Pro Chambers. I presume that there MAC's high performance O/R H-pipe. I understand using that with LT's make ~ 20 rwhp and ~15 lbs of torque.

 

Zero Signal

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LTs only beat them down low below the racing powerband

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Wait. . .I thought LT's had less low end torque than shorties

 

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BBK

nathan

 

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MAC

Jake

 

Sleepy McNastee

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Zero Signal said:

Wait. . .I thought LT's had less low end torque than shorties

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I think you're right, L/T's usually give up a little torque on the low end. But I did read that article Snoozer was talking about and they also said if your gonna get LT's , you should go with 1 3/4". So I dont really know.

 

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95snoozer said:

but oddly enough in the t347 they tested in MMFF the unequal lengths headers made more peak power than the long tubes. LTs only beat them down low below the racing powerband

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That test has to have something up with it. I don't get it. Trap speed is an indication of horsepower and with identical mods as WhiteDevil (he has a TB and MAF and short tubes otherwise the same) I trap 1 mph more than him in the 1/8. His track is also at a lower elevation and he has better sixties than me. I still believe long tubes will out do the shorties at the track any day of the week.

Jake

 

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Sleepy McNastee said:

I think you're right, L/T's usually give up a little torque on the low end.

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I didn't feel it...

Jake

 

Sleepy McNastee

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GTJake said:

I didn't feel it...

Jake

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Me neither.

 

Green Machine

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KOOKS LT's $$$ - Worth It ???

I see alot of our folks running MAC's or BBK Long tubes. Has anyone tried the 1 3/4" Kooks Long Tubes with AFR heads.

Talk about $$$$, are they worth it ?


I'm leaning toward BBK ceramic coated LT's with there new shorty X-pipe. Mainly cause I like the raspiness of the x-pipe, and not to mention it makes more hp.

Thanks,Dewman

 

GTJake

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1 3/4" might be a little too much. The 1 5/8" might be better for your combo.

Jake

 

Green Machine

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Jake - Thats what I was thinking. This is a daily driver, and not a drag car.
Thanks

 

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one vote for the BBK LTs, i love 'em

 

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i'm happy w/my bbk ceramic-coated long tubes. pretty good quality, no complaints. no experience w/mac.