Better gas mileage?

ganzey

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i have a 1997 mustang gt, 4.6, auto, 3.42's in the rear, bassani offroad xpipe to flowmaster 40's, CAI, . i currently get about 15mpg, 18 highway if i drive it nice.

i would really like to be getting low 20's, maybe mid 20's highway. just wondering if anyone has some tips or mods to do. maybe smaller injectors? would this cause i huge power loss?

thanks
 
18 highway seems really low....

Your 3.42's aren't a lot of gear and you shouldn't be getting such atrocious highway mileage.

Have you run a compression test on your engine? I would do so, this might give you an idea of how potent your cylinders are still.

Cleaning your injectors could help (injectorrx dot com), as could cleaning your MAF, taking your throttle body and plenum off and cleaning them with throttle body cleaner. NOTE: NOT carb cleaner. The TB is coated with a film that carb cleaner will eat.

Clean all the junk out of your trunk that you never use. I wouldn't ditch the spare tire and jack to save 30 cents over a tank of gas, either.

Give the car a decent tune up and watch your driving style. That's it... style: the biggest consumer or saver of gas in your car.

Forget smaller injectors. If you have the stock 19 lb injectors stick with them.

As I was typing this up I had a thought about a previous experience I had. My evaporative emissions control system purge valve was bum and needed to be replaced. It was throwing lean codes at me at the time as well. It is a $35 part in the passenger fender wheel well. If the purge valve is stuck open or the lines are broken you will be venting your fuel straight to the atmosphere and it will evaporate away.
 
i clean the maf with maf sensor cleaner, cleaned throttle plate with same stuff, and threw in some motorcraft platinums about 2 months ago, as well as a new air filter, cleaned injectors with a canister type cleaner(hooks up directly to fuel rail and you pull the fuel pump relay), only thing in the trunk is a 10" sub, and that 18 is driving nicely.

i will try a compression test, but i know it will be low ( it burns about 1qt oil every 1k miles)i know thats REALLY bad but hey i got the car for dirt cheap.

i DO however have a code p1443, i know its evap system related, anyone know exactly what it could be? i dont have a good scanner.
 
Those are horrible numbers, I am getting 22.5 all around and I am currently throwing a P1443 code too. I would look into a diagnostic test cause something is wrong. Smaller injectors will not help either. Good luck and keep us updated
 
aaannndddd i just bought an 82 vw pickup, diesel 5 speed from a buddy for $1200. i guess the stang is gonna be my pleasure vehicle haha. 50mpg is gonna be sweet

It's really hard to get good gas mileage from a mustang. There area few things you can do to improve it 1-3mpg but its not that much.

1) increase your tire pressure to 40 or more psi. This will hurt your traction, but the higher the psi the better gas mileage you will get.

2) Make sure your using quality fuel, as well as using fuel cleaners injector cleaners and such.

3) If the car hasnt ever been seafoamed I'd suggest buying some seafoam. It works wonders and really cleans up the engine. There are lots of threads on here about seafoam.

4) Driving tips, I would take off slow form a stop slow instead of fast. Also when you comming to a stop dont drive fast when you see a red light instead let off the gas a coast to the light. Most of the time you will get to the light and it will turn green and you'll only need to accelerate a little. Lastly drive the speed limit, doing anything over 65 will yield less gas mileage.

When all this fails to meet your needs its time to either sell the car or buy another like you just did. Even with my highly modified car I get about 25mpg on the freeway, but when im concerned about gas prices or gas mileage I drive my 2008 civic hybrid. That was the best purchase ever. Now i get great gas mileage when i want, and a fun car to drive when i want. Best of both worlds.
 
You can pick up a few mpg with the following changes:

1) cold air kit or at least a K&N filter
2) Synthetic oil in the engine and tranny
3) Keep the car tuned up with fresh plugs
4) Keep the tires at maximum pressure
5) Keep the battery charged with a home charger if you run high-power stereo equipmeent
6) Retune for maximum mileage, retard timing, etc....

If your budget goes up, start spending on porting, cams, etc... My car now gets 28Mpg highway at 80mph. If i could keep my foot out of it, I'm sure it does even better at lower speeds.
 
Want to increase gas mileage cost effectively?

- coast down hills that allow you to maintain your speed
- keep the car a couple hundred RPM above idle in your top gear at cruise (slower than usual highway speeds... probably 45-55 mph range)
- accelerate moderately (you don't want to linger in early gears longer than you have to, but you also don't want to add so much load that the computer significantly richens the AF ratio)
- Don't run the A/C (use the vent from outside instead) - keep windows rolled up
- choose the right tires when you buy them (cheap and hard - soft tires wear faster and have more rolling resistance)
- ensure proper tire pressures (generally 30-35 psi)
- ensure proper functioning of EGR system
- Leaning tune at cruise (if you have the ability to tune already)

effective measures that are not cost efficient
- overinflation of tires (excessive wear in the center of the tires)
- buying a tuner or paying for a tune (a 5% increase in fuel mileage for a $400-$500 tune will take a long time to pay for itself - you're better off investing the money and getting an investment return on it instead)
- buying lower gears or a lower O/D such as a .5:1 5th or 6th gear in a car that doesn't already have it (same reasoning as above, unless you can install your own rear gear, in which case you can probably get that done for as little as $100)
- Increasing compression in your motor (increases mileage and should be considered if you're building the engine anyway, but this may also cause you to run higher octane fuel)
- Cams with no overlap and higher dynamic compression ratios: initial cost doesn't make up for the difference in gas mileage over the stock cam, which is already low overlap to begin with

Ineffective techniques
- tornado
- electrolysis (hydrogen bull****) - takes more power and fuel to create the electricity to split water into hydrogen than you get back out of the hydrogen you just created. Real scientists have been trying to figure out how to split water and then use it for nuclear fusion to create an energy source for decades to no avail (cold fusion). Why would you believe that the internet scammer that promises 80mpg has really figured this out?
- turbocharging: turboing a given motor will not make that motor more fuel efficient. The only reason factories add turbos is so they can run similar power with smaller motors that are more efficient to begin with.

I don't know:
- freer flowing air filters like the K&N: It's not that I don't know if they can increase mileage... That's certainly possible. The question is whether the tune in your car will really allow them too. They will increase volumetric efficiency which will increase power and can increase fuel mileage. Speed density cars will lean out slightly and as a result should increase slightly in mileage. MAF cars should compensate for the extra air and may add more fuel. The result is that you back off of the throttle to sustain cruising speed. I think this will result in an increase in fuel mileage, and they certainly advertise one. I would like to actually test the theory myself, though.
- running thinner oil - should increase mileage by increasing mechanical efficiency, but may not protect the motor as well as the thicker stuff, which means what you gain in mileage you pay for in a premature rebuild down the line.... I dunno
- synthetic oil - between increased protection and fuel efficiency there are some definite advantages... price is a definite disadvantage.... over the long run it's hard to say whether sythetic is more cost effective than running premium regular oil

This isn't all inclusive... Just some observations of a guy that's thought through these things before.

Thoughts on my list?
 
Oh yeah, increasing base timing (or tuning timing throughout the low RPM powerband) while ensuring you don't run into detonation will also increase thermal efficiency by increasing Bmep (thus power) during the power stroke for the same amount of air and fuel in the chamber. For obvious reasons, staying conservative makes more sense than getting too aggressive.
 
Want to increase gas mileage cost effectively?

- coast down hills that allow you to maintain your speed
- keep the car a couple hundred RPM above idle in your top gear at cruise (slower than usual highway speeds... probably 45-55 mph range)
- accelerate moderately (you don't want to linger in early gears longer than you have to, but you also don't want to add so much load that the computer significantly richens the AF ratio)
- Don't run the A/C (use the vent from outside instead) - keep windows rolled up
- choose the right tires when you buy them (cheap and hard - soft tires wear faster and have more rolling resistance)
- ensure proper tire pressures (generally 30-35 psi)
- ensure proper functioning of EGR system
- Leaning tune at cruise (if you have the ability to tune already)

effective measures that are not cost efficient
- overinflation of tires (excessive wear in the center of the tires)
(I didn't say overinflation, I said maximum inflation)
- buying a tuner or paying for a tune (a 5% increase in fuel mileage for a $400-$500 tune will take a long time to pay for itself - you're better off investing the money and getting an investment return on it instead)
(It's cost effective if you want to be able to change from a performance mode to a mileage mode without turning your car into a full-time mommy-mobile. It also lets you run lower-octane fuel which in my area is worth about 40 cents per gallon. 1000 gallons and you have paid for it.)
- buying lower gears or a lower O/D such as a .5:1 5th or 6th gear in a car that doesn't already have it (same reasoning as above, unless you can install your own rear gear, in which case you can probably get that done for as little as $100)
- Increasing compression in your motor (increases mileage and should be considered if you're building the engine anyway, but this may also cause you to run higher octane fuel)
- Cams with no overlap and higher dynamic compression ratios: initial cost doesn't make up for the difference in gas mileage over the stock cam, which is already low overlap to begin with
(If you are building a performance engine that breathes better, it's definitely more efficient to start with. In my case, I actually lowered the compression because of the blower. Nobody wants a pansy Mustang 100% of the time)

Ineffective techniques
- tornado
- electrolysis (hydrogen bull****) - takes more power and fuel to create the electricity to split water into hydrogen than you get back out of the hydrogen you just created. Real scientists have been trying to figure out how to split water and then use it for nuclear fusion to create an energy source for decades to no avail (cold fusion). Why would you believe that the internet scammer that promises 80mpg has really figured this out?
- turbocharging: turboing a given motor will not make that motor more fuel efficient. The only reason factories add turbos is so they can run similar power with smaller motors that are more efficient to begin with.

I don't know:
- freer flowing air filters like the K&N: It's not that I don't know if they can increase mileage... That's certainly possible. The question is whether the tune in your car will really allow them too. They will increase volumetric efficiency which will increase power and can increase fuel mileage. Speed density cars will lean out slightly and as a result should increase slightly in mileage. MAF cars should compensate for the extra air and may add more fuel. The result is that you back off of the throttle to sustain cruising speed. I think this will result in an increase in fuel mileage, and they certainly advertise one. I would like to actually test the theory myself, though. (I have tested in on several vehicles over the last 20 years and it has made differences of 1-2 miles per gallon to 3-4 when combined with synthetics, even more with retuning at the cost of power)
- running thinner oil - should increase mileage by increasing mechanical efficiency, but may not protect the motor as well as the thicker stuff, which means what you gain in mileage you pay for in a premature rebuild down the line.... I dunno
- synthetic oil - between increased protection and fuel efficiency there are some definite advantages... price is a definite disadvantage.... over the long run it's hard to say whether sythetic is more cost effective than running premium regular oil (it's more cost effective when combined with 10,000 plus mileage changes and reduced wear on the engine. Put it in the tranny and it's even better. One car, 1987 Mercury Cougar with a 6-cylinder engine, when combined with everything else, went from 24mpg on the freeway to over 32 average. City driving went to about 21-22.

This isn't all inclusive... Just some observations of a guy that's thought through these things before.

Thoughts on my list?

I've tested all these ideas I'm telling you about on various cars. They work. My comments are at the end of each analysis in parenthesis
 
Want to increase gas mileage cost effectively?

- coast down hills that allow you to maintain your speed
- keep the car a couple hundred RPM above idle in your top gear at cruise (slower than usual highway speeds... probably 45-55 mph range)
- accelerate moderately (you don't want to linger in early gears longer than you have to, but you also don't want to add so much load that the computer significantly richens the AF ratio)
- Don't run the A/C (use the vent from outside instead) - keep windows rolled up
- choose the right tires when you buy them (cheap and hard - soft tires wear faster and have more rolling resistance)
- ensure proper tire pressures (generally 30-35 psi)
- ensure proper functioning of EGR system
- Leaning tune at cruise (if you have the ability to tune already)

effective measures that are not cost efficient
- overinflation of tires (excessive wear in the center of the tires)
- buying a tuner or paying for a tune (a 5% increase in fuel mileage for a $400-$500 tune will take a long time to pay for itself - you're better off investing the money and getting an investment return on it instead)
- buying lower gears or a lower O/D such as a .5:1 5th or 6th gear in a car that doesn't already have it (same reasoning as above, unless you can install your own rear gear, in which case you can probably get that done for as little as $100)
- Increasing compression in your motor (increases mileage and should be considered if you're building the engine anyway, but this may also cause you to run higher octane fuel)
- Cams with no overlap and higher dynamic compression ratios: initial cost doesn't make up for the difference in gas mileage over the stock cam, which is already low overlap to begin with

This isn't all inclusive... Just some observations of a guy that's thought through these things before.

Thoughts on my list?

I have 4.10's, I don't get onto the highway lightly, I drive at 75 with the A/C on, stock airfilter, stock exhaust, 265's out back and I still get 22 mpg highway. :p


Something's wrong getting 18 highway with 3.42's.
 
I averaged 19mpg in town on the last tank I had. Checked the pressure on all tires and added a fuel treatment as my GT is back on daily duty until I get the truck issue worked out. The GT has been mostly a nice day car for the last 8 years.
 
figured it out. and i feel like an idiot. fuel filter was part if it, threw on a new motorcraft one. and also i only has 12 inches vacuum at idle.....canister purge valve was stuck open. now im at about 19 city, and thats beatin on it a lol bit
 
Im getting 14mpg/19 mpg highway..depending on how hard i drive it....i have v8 cai upper intake..85mm throttle body flowmasters and bbk O/R pipe and a4:10 gear and if tires matter i have 315's.. anyone else think i can get a little better