Intended Headers and Trans, questions about fitment

[from6to8]

The 95 I bought in '16 was modified some and I bought the car from a lot. As far as I remember they were selling it for someone and when I reached back out with questions some years ago I can't remember what I found out if really anything as the car pretty much sat the past 5 years. It seems they might have had a different engine in or a more modded then put a lot of stock things back on to sell it. The nitrous line is still on as well and it has a different cam albiet mild, shorty headers with an X, flowmasters, CAI, stock meter and intake with stock tb is on, but it has a tremec 3550 with a scattershield BH on. I'm now in the gathering of information and deciding the rest of the combo with what I'll likely run for my mostly weekend streetcar only, no track. I'm not asking for opions on why I'm not going to run this or run that as I've already made my mind up and have a builder. He's not particularly a Mustang guy per se and so I'm doing my due diligence on parts that will fit from the heads on to the back mostly.

Intended combo so far for the 331:

rpm 2 intake
brodix 20 degree 171 cc
cam around .525 lift with 108 lsa, 211/219 @ .050
70 mm tb
80 mm maf from 99-04
30 lb 4 hole injectors ( he said his build will not require no more than 28 degrees total timing and will also call for less fuel)
probably 1 1/2 inch LT as per his recommendation, X pipe, Spintech 6000's I believe is what I bought maybe 5-6 years ago lol
will be custom tuned
stock k member

Doing research on the headers and who makes a 1 1/2 Aerocoupe told me about Hedman and they have a 1 1/2 inch fox header ( part no. 88366) but from what I understand in ref to will fox long tubes fit a 94-95, well let me copy and paste from a post here in 2009-
"I'm not trying to be an ass but the ONLY reason they will NOT fit is if you have a 94/95 t-5 setup. The clutch fork is in a different position, if you switch to an 87-93 style t-5/tko setup OR a t-56 the fox headers should work fine. REPEAT, IF YOU ARE USING A STOCK 94/95 T5 SETUP FOX HEADERS WILL NOT WORK. Other variations YMMV - A LOT"

So in reference the scatter shield on the car now with the 3550 what's your thoughts on fox long tubes if I have to go with that particular one , those working with what I currently have and plan to use? I'm talking about fitment with any potential hitting the starter or steering shaft . If you know of some other 1 1/2 inch brand headers let me know as well.

 

[AeroCoupe]

Sad they hot knifed the back of the clutch fork opening instead of just shortening the threaded end of the clutch cable. I would trim the end of the adjustable clutch cable and put a factory dust cover on that Lakewood bell housing. You will need to drill and tap a hole so the cover can be secured like factory. I did this on the Lakewood I had on my T-Bird. I say had because I tossed that heavy boat anchor in the scrap bin and installed an S-Rod bell housing which came out of a 79-82 or early production 83 5.0 Mustang. They have the same bolt pattern as the 3550, early TKO, TKO 500/600, and TKX transmissions. They will not fit a T56 so don't go down that road.

The S-Rod bell made the long tubes so much easier to install and was a lot easier to install vs that POS Lakewood.

 

[from6to8]

Sad they hot knifed the back of the clutch fork opening instead of just shortening the threaded end of the clutch cable. I would trim the end of the adjustable clutch cable and put a factory dust cover on that Lakewood bell housing. You will need to drill and tap a hole so the cover can be secured like factory. I did this on the Lakewood I had on my T-Bird. I say had because I tossed that heavy boat anchor in the scrap bin and installed an S-Rod bell housing which came out of a 79-82 or early production 83 5.0 Mustang. They have the same bolt pattern as the 3550, early TKO, TKO 500/600, and TKX transmissions. They will not fit a T56 so don't go down that road.

The S-Rod bell made the long tubes so much easier to install and was a lot easier to install vs that POS Lakewood.

yeah I thought that looked different smh but like i said that car has pretty much sat and colected dust in my garage since around 2019 and even from 16 when I bought it til 19 it wasn't driven that much.

I don't know why they used that in the first place. Would a 94 95 Bell work with the 3550?

 

[AeroCoupe]

Nope. The bolt pattern on a 3550 (TKO based design) is different than a T5 which is what the 94/95 cars came with factory. If you cannot find a R-Rod bell then this is the next best thing:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ist-bhf-6392?seid=srese1&ppckw=pmax-vf-silver-sport-transmission&gclid=CjwKCAjwk8e1BhALEiwAc8MHiDBSzZpAJglou1LMjBWiQaz9015esiMFKmGS5p8YpmO0DgC-pJhMyRoCfzIQAvD_BwE

 

[from6to8]

Nope. The bolt pattern on a 3550 (TKO based design) is different than a T5 which is what the 94/95 cars came with factory.

ok i'll consider going with what you went with.

No need to trim the end of the clutch cable to fit with that bell you changed to?

 

[AeroCoupe]

I have a fire wall adjuster so I did not have to. They are easy to trim with a hack saw and then just touch up the cut end with a grinder or hand file.

 

[from6to8]

I have a fire wall adjuster so I did not have to. They are easy to trim with a hack saw and then just touch up the cut end with a grinder or hand file.

i will run a firewall adjuster as well.........

 

[from6to8]

Nope. The bolt pattern on a 3550 (TKO based design) is different than a T5 which is what the 94/95 cars came with factory. If you cannot find a R-Rod bell then this is the next best thing:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ist-bhf-6392?seid=srese1&ppckw=pmax-vf-silver-sport-transmission&gclid=CjwKCAjwk8e1BhALEiwAc8MHiDBSzZpAJglou1LMjBWiQaz9015esiMFKmGS5p8YpmO0DgC-pJhMyRoCfzIQAvD_BwE

gotcha on that bell.

Are you running fox headers or sn95?

is the 94 95 bell 4 bolt?

 

[limp]

I am using a SROD bellhousing... My 83 came with a SROD 4 speed...
The pic shows it with a TKX attached..

 

[limp]

I have to chuckle a bit here... When I was young, early 70's, getting a scattershield was everyones dream.. Nobody wanted their foot blown off....
Problem was a new scattershield was more money than what we spent for an entire car....

 

[AeroCoupe]

@from6to8 - I do not have an SN95 car as both of mine are Fox bodies. Coupe has shorties with a 2.5" system and the T-Bird has custom built long tubes with a custom built 3.5" to 3" system.

 

[from6to8]

@from6to8 - I do not have an SN95 car as both of mine are Fox bodies. Coupe has shorties with a 2.5" system and the T-Bird has custom built long tubes with a custom built 3.5" to 3" system.

oh gotcha. I could've sworn one of yours was an Sn though not in your sig lol.

What's the difference in bells from the early fox to late fox to the 94 95 and can you tell the difference by looking at? I haven't dealt with many other than the ones off my 94 95 and only a few times I've had to mess with them myself as of recent as 2019 when I stripped my wrecked 95. Then in 2020 took the engine out of the 94 cobra to transfer the 95's engine; now it's on to the other 95.


When my car got hit in 2015 I started looking at a lot of cars and wanted nothing more than a few different cars setup a few different ways and also the Terminators were growing on me. I wanted to do a 331 first for the 94 then a 351 for the 95 then buy a terminator. Well I ended up going kinda backwards but decided to let the first 95 live on by transplanting it in the 94 and prior to that in July of '19 bought an 04 Cobra. So now it's a 331 for the other 95 and that'll let me know what I want to put in the 94 when times come to freshen her up

 

[from6to8]

I have to chuckle a bit here... When I was young, early 70's, getting a scattershield was everyones dream.. Nobody wanted their foot blown off....
Problem was a new scattershield was more money that what we spent for an entire car....

lol ah that's crazy and goes to show the things we would do in our younger days. Heck for us growing up it was the reverse as to we wanted the car to look good first then run decent was next but ohh how times have changed. Now it's get all the mechanical things right first and cosmetics last....

Nice setup by the way and I have to decide if want to try and put the engine in my 95 with the trans attached as I'm sure it's going to be more challenging and especially if I'm dong by myself. I do have a guy that could call to give me a hand but I'll just have to see. I'm going to be putting long tubes on so I know i'll have to maneuver once the engine is lowered and have the headers in place in the tunnel then get a few bolts started. I did do it for the first time and with success with the install in the 94 but the trans in the 94 was already in place on the car.

 

[AeroCoupe]

The 94/95 bell housing will be 3/4" deeper than a Fox bell housing. On a 94/95 the clutch fork exits the bell housing roughly at the 7 o'clock position when looking at the bell housing from the transmission side. On a Fox the clutch fork exists the bell housing roughly or a little below the 9 o'clock position.

Good thread on the differences over on the Corral. Only reason I reference it is SPeace-ATL has rebuilt a lot of T5's and I have asked him a lot of questions over the years on them.

https://www.corral.net/threads/fox-clutch-fork-in-sn95.1279620

 

[from6to8]

The 94/95 bell housing will be 3/4" deeper than a Fox bell housing. On a 94/95 the clutch fork exits the bell housing roughly at the 7 o'clock position when looking at the bell housing from the transmission side. On a Fox the clutch fork exists the bell housing roughly or a little below the 9 o'clock position.

Good thread on the differences over on the Corral. Only reason I reference it is SPeace-ATL has rebuilt a lot of T5's and I have asked him a lot of questions over the years on them.

https://www.corral.net/threads/fox-clutch-fork-in-sn95.1279620

good info and thanks, I'll check it out. I gotta call a few places today, one local and the other Hanlon motorsports in PA. I talked to them years ago when I was going to do the 351 and having getting a tko 600 thru them and i liked what they had to say about the upgrades to make them shift like butter. I will let the local guy check it out because when i bought the car it had a slight issue only when going from neutral upon coming up to a deep curve then going back into 2nd gear it would often not want to go in unless you slowed down much more....

 

[from6to8]

The 94/95 bell housing will be 3/4" deeper than a Fox bell housing. On a 94/95 the clutch fork exits the bell housing roughly at the 7 o'clock position when looking at the bell housing from the transmission side. On a Fox the clutch fork exists the bell housing roughly or a little below the 9 o'clock position.

Good thread on the differences over on the Corral. Only reason I reference it is SPeace-ATL has rebuilt a lot of T5's and I have asked him a lot of questions over the years on them.

https://www.corral.net/threads/fox-clutch-fork-in-sn95.1279620

so the PO having used the scatter shield would there have to be a fox fork used? Since I'm going to go with the one you sent me the link to last night i'll need a fox fork.

Other question is since it appears to be a fox setup and if I'm going to use the 3550 then I won't be able to use 94 95 LT's anyway or would I?

 

[AeroCoupe]

Should be a part number on the scatter shield. Call Lakewood and see or find the manual for it on line to find out what clutch fork would have been used. At least that is what I would do.

 

[from6to8]

Should be a part number on the scatter shield. Call Lakewood and see or find the manual for it on line to find out what clutch fork would have been used. At least that is what I would do.

yeah there's one. I think I researched it back in 2016 and might have tried to call but not sure it was lakewood if lakewood was not in the wording. I'm sure I googled whatever was on it

 

[from6to8]

Should be a part number on the scatter shield. Call Lakewood and see or find the manual for it on line to find out what clutch fork would have been used. At least that is what I would do.

also once I get the car up and start taking things apart I will be able to measure and look at things and see what's what including the driveshaft if they had to use a fox DS with that setup if indeed everything is fox..

 

[from6to8]

Sad they hot knifed the back of the clutch fork opening instead of just shortening the threaded end of the clutch cable. I would trim the end of the adjustable clutch cable and put a factory dust cover on that Lakewood bell housing. You will need to drill and tap a hole so the cover can be secured like factory. I did this on the Lakewood I had on my T-Bird. I say had because I tossed that heavy boat anchor in the scrap bin and installed an S-Rod bell housing which came out of a 79-82 or early production 83 5.0 Mustang. They have the same bolt pattern as the 3550, early TKO, TKO 500/600, and TKX transmissions. They will not fit a T56 so don't go down that road.

The S-Rod bell made the long tubes so much easier to install and was a lot easier to install vs that POS Lakewood.

so my trans might acutally be an older richmond as someone suggested in my thread " does anyone recognize this trans" . Where specifically on the trans would it be, as in while in the car? I'm just curious if the M 6392 R58 bell I bought would work for it even if a richmond so I need to verify that number on it. It has a lakewood scattershield on now.....