Electrical Black 8 pin connector from T5 transmission
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The 8-pin connector has 2 pairs of wires.
2 for the vehicle speed sensor
2 for the reverse lights
2 for the neutral safety start circuit (which is jumped out at the trans (at connector c107) and not used on 5-spd cars)
2 wire for the neutral gear switch, which tells the ECU if the car is in gear or not and is not part of the start circuit.
Here is the 1988 EVTM for wire colors. That black 8-pin is connector C350
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The ‘82 harness likely won’t have the wires for the VSS and nuetral gear switch (NGS) as those are specific to fuel injection, so you will need to add them.
2 for the vehicle speed sensor
2 for the reverse lights
2 for the neutral safety start circuit (which is jumped out at the trans (at connector c107) and not used on 5-spd cars)
2 wire for the neutral gear switch, which tells the ECU if the car is in gear or not and is not part of the start circuit.
Here is the 1988 EVTM for wire colors. That black 8-pin is connector C350
1988 Mustang Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Guide (EVTM)
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The ‘82 harness likely won’t have the wires for the VSS and nuetral gear switch (NGS) as those are specific to fuel injection, so you will need to add them.
One quick follow-up up question, sorry if this is something that should be intuitive. Would you please explain why the speedometer wires and the clutch switch wires come off connector 350 as double wires? For clutch switch Pin 30 NDS goes to the circuit, so that would be a total of 5 blue/yellow wires with only 2 blue/ yellow on c350 and 2 blue/ yellow on the switch. The black/ white wire also doubles off the clutch switch but there is a single black/ white wire off of connector 350. Im just a little confused about how that circuit is wired.
The EEC from the 88' currently does not have a pin in #3 (VSSDIF +) or #6 (VSSDIF -), can I wire the speed sensor wires from C350 (dark green/white, orange/yellow) directly into the respective 60 pin slots? I'm guessing the last setup did not have the VSS sensor because the connector is not in the harness, nor anything wired to the ECM.
For the neutral gear switch, what is the purpose of that switch if the clutch switch is being used? I am looking at the following schematic.
For the neutral gear switch, what is the purpose of that switch if the clutch switch is being used? I am looking at the following schematic.
Yes, you can wire the VSS directly into pin 3 and 6. The 86-88 cars ONLY use the VSS for the cruise control so they lack the direct wires to the ECU. In 1989 (or Ca '88 Mass air cars) they were added with mass air ECUS. The above graphic should really say 89-93, although wire colors did change a bit from what is shown.
The schematic is incorrect unfortunately. Hard to describe, but they are related to pin 30, but separate and do different things.
The clutch switch is what prevents you from starting the car in gear. There is no transmission neutral safety switch as it's only used for the automatic cars, and just jumped out on the 5-spd cars. Clutch switch is the only safety on the starter circuit.
The NGS does tell the ecu if the trans is in gear, but only for the sake of code-reading, and it does affect idle strategy somewhat. Not having the NGS hooked up can sometimes cause a hanging idle on a EFI car. The NGS on the T-5 is wired in parallel to the clutch switch on a separate leg of the switch.
Here is the clutch switch (down below). Notice there are two pairs of pins. One is the starter interrupt circuit. The other is the pair of wires that is wires in parallel with the NGS on the T-5. So essentially, if EITHER the clutch is in or the trans is in nuetral, a signal is sent to the ECU on pin 30.
This is probably the most confusing aspect of how Ford wired these cars, because it's different between auto and 5-spd cars, and as a result can fry a ECU if you use an Auto ECU with 5-spd wiring, and the other way around.
Thank you for the information, it is helpful. Are you able to comment on why some wires go from a single wire on the transmission side of c350 to double wires on the cabin side of the connector? In my example, the orange/ white, green/ white wire from the speedometer, also blue/ yellow, black/ white and pink/ white turns into two wires.
That’s how the harness breaks out into the various components on the trans. There are theee plugs plug the red/blue nuetral safety jumper
If I’m Misunderstanding, please attach some photos.
It’s a bit more complex than that. They don’t all splice together. Pay attention to the wiring diagrams in the 2nd post. Page 22. While they are all related to pin 30, they split into two circuits.
I’m on a mobile so tough to elaborate more.
