Blow 460 Super Cobra Jet

Lyncher

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Hi, I would like to do a 460 swap into a mustang notchback in the next few months and I had a setup in mind but was unsure if it would work...I would appreciate it if someone could please help me out. Here is what i was thinking just let me know if it would work well :shrug: ...and maybe a hp estimate. Any other input is welcome! THanks a lot!
..I posted this same thread on some big block only forum and they didnt help me at all so hopefully you guys can...

Start with the FRPP 460scj crate engine
swap pistons for these.... http://store.summitracing.com/defau...t=egnsearch.asp
then add a blower...I am unsure of which blower to add but I was thinking maybe a Kb blowzilla...any other opinions? Thanks :nice:
 
bluevenom867 said:
Also,I dont know about the frpp short block,as Im pretty sure they use the D9TE-AB block,which are pretty much the worst blocks.But still strong enouf for bout 650hp.


..only 650? ...I hope your wrong or this will really suck
 
Lyncher said:
..only 650? ...I hope your wrong or this will really suck

Well,I got a D9TE-AB block 460,complete out a a F350 truck.For free.From the shop nieghtbors.

From what i have heard and seen,they have the thinest cylinder walls and weakest main webbing,but have the lonest cylinder wall.How ever, that means the the stock,external blanance,internals have to be used.Unless it a stroker,in whitch case the longer walls are better.
 
ok here are the specs to another set of pistons that look promising... Brand: Trick Flow Specialties
Product Line: Trick Flow Forged Pistons
Bore (in): 4.030
Piston Material: Forged aluminum
Piston Style: Dish
Compression Distance (in): 1.290
Dish Volume (cc): 20.30
Valve Reliefs: None
Wrist Pin Style: Floating
Pin Diameter (in): 0.927
Top Ring Thickness: 1/16 in.
Second Ring Thickness: 1/16 in.
Oil Ring Thickness: 3/16 in.
Quantity: Sold as a set of 8.
 
Lyncher said:
ok here are the specs to another set of pistons that look promising... Brand: Trick Flow Specialties
Product Line: Trick Flow Forged Pistons
Bore (in): 4.030
Piston Material: Forged aluminum
Piston Style: Dish
Compression Distance (in): 1.290
Dish Volume (cc): 20.30
Valve Reliefs: None
Wrist Pin Style: Floating
Pin Diameter (in): 0.927
Top Ring Thickness: 1/16 in.
Second Ring Thickness: 1/16 in.
Oil Ring Thickness: 3/16 in.
Quantity: Sold as a set of 8.

4.030 bore?

Sounds like small block pistons.

Also,I think the tfs pistons have specific valve reliefs for tfs heads.
 
bluevenom867 said:
Ok,I just checked there site,they are made for the tfs heads,whitch are pretty darn good bbf heads.


Ok well I can go with different pistons but I am more concerned abotu if it will lower my compression enough to use a blower...also...the 514 crate engine is about 7500...is it worth the extra $$$ it is rated at 625 but if it has thicker walls...it should handle more power right?
 
Lyncher said:
Ok well I can go with different pistons but I am more concerned abotu if it will lower my compression enough to use a blower...also...the 514 crate engine is about 7500...is it worth the extra $$$ it is rated at 625 but if it has thicker walls...it should handle more power right?

Umm,the 514 has the D9TE-AB block....

Thats why I said I dont know about the frpp engines...
 
Here what i found for ya ;)

The available production cast iron block casting numbers are C8VE-B, C9VE-B, D0VE-A, D1VE-("xxx") and D9TE-AB.

I like to refer to all but the D9TE as the "early-style" blocks. The D9TE casting arrived in the 1979 model year and was utilized until the end of 460 production ( to 1996).

For the most part, all blocks and rotating asemblies are interchangable between all blocks except the D9TE. A D9TE rotating assembly will fit into an early-style block, but the opposite is not true.

All 429/460 Fords are internally balanced engines except for the D9TE 460, which is externally balanced.

These block identifying marks (D1VE, etc.) are not actual casting numbers but are engineering revisions that are cast into the block castings themselves. And they are what we enthusiasts refer to when identifying our factory iron, as they give not so much the year that the block was made but rather the revision of the block as specified by said engineering revision. (Actual date code is in the lifter valley.)

Early-Style Blocks: For the most part (and with small exception), the C8VE, C9VE and D1VE blocks are all essentially the same configuration casting with the thinner main webs. The thicker main web block is the D0VE block, which may or may not have 4-bolt main caps on 2,3 & 4. (Very few D1VE blocks may be thick webbed.) All Ford production 385 blocks can be decked as needed, so the slight variation in deck height (give or take .020" over the years) is a non-issue detail.

D9TE Blocks: The externally balanced rotating assembly utilizes a crankshaft that has slightly smaller counterweights. This was done to so that the cylinders of the D9TE block could be extended about .1875" deeper towards the crankcase. I believe the cylinders were lengthened in the D9TE block because this block was revised to double as a big equipment truck block, and the dump truck rotating assemblies consisted of a very deep skirt piston that benefitted from the extended cylinder walls for support.

The deeper cylinders of the D9TE blocks are the reason that the early-style, internally balanced rotating assemblies will not fit (internal balance crank throws will not clear D9TE cylinders).

Since most prefer to use internally balanced rotating asembies in the performance applicaton, we usually opt for any block except the D9TE. There are also advantages to specific blocks within the group of early-style blocks, such as the D0VE-A's thick main webs, thick pan rails on some early-style blocks, etc.

Further, the D9TE block was presumed to be a lightweight ("late model") casting and therefore not very strong and also limited in it's overbore capability. But this belief is currently being re-evaluated for a couple of reasons:



No-one had yet evaluated D9TE cylinder wall thickness with a sonic checker, and preliminary testing suggests the block may not be so bad afterall.


Strokers have become popular and the D9TE's deeper cylinders offer more support for the increased-stroke rotating assemlies.


Most all aftermarket stroker kits use a crank with the dimensions of the externally balanced crank and so they fit the D9TE block as well as the early blocks.

From a thead on network54.com
 
bluevenom867 said:
Ok....thats sucks.

lol tell me about it....

Here is my littel dilemma...originally I wanted to build a dart or Man O war based 347 with afr185s idk what intake and a hellion turbo kit with the t76...as well as a custom cam, with that set up I would be looking at ho somewhere in the 700rwhp range I believe. It then hit me that it would be sick to build a bb notch...but if I am gonna do that it will be more money than the turbo 347 and if I cant add a blower it will actually weigh more with less power. Unless of course I just bought a bare 460 or 514 block...then got heads cam intake pistons...(would I need to buy rods and crankshaft and all that **** 2?) but I am not very familiar with the bb fords
 
Lyncher said:
lol tell me about it....

Here is my littel dilemma...originally I wanted to build a dart or Man O war based 347 with afr185s idk what intake and a hellion turbo kit with the t76...as well as a custom cam, with that set up I would be looking at ho somewhere in the 700rwhp range I believe. It then hit me that it would be sick to build a bb notch...but if I am gonna do that it will be more money than the turbo 347 and if I cant add a blower it will actually weigh more with less power. Unless of course I just bought a bare 460 or 514 block...then got heads cam intake pistons...(would I need to buy rods and crankshaft and all that **** 2?) but I am not very familiar with the bb fords

Do a 351W with a blower,that would be fun.

The big block doesnt really need the blower,unless it close to stock,but then again,it would wieght around 800 pounds with iron heads :( .

A 351C would be fast,and different.I just dont know were to get swap part for it.
 
What about 408''s I have heard great things about them...I saw this crate 408 online...it doesnt have any hp ratings or anything but here are the specs 408 Race Ready Version

Ford 408 Long Block Assembly
$6,450.00

Part Manufacturer Description
Block DES 2 Bolt, seasoned core, cleaned, magnafluxed, decked w/BHJ fixture, bored, honed w/BHJ torque plates, brass freeze plugs and cam bearings installed, painted Ford Blue
Crank Scat New, 4340 forged steel, 4.000" stroke
Main Stud Girdle Trick Flow Main Stud Girdle
Pistons Probe 2618 alloy, 10.9:1cr forged pistons
Rings Lunati File fit plasma moly rings
Rods Scat 6.200" H-beam, 4340 steel w/ARP bolts & .927 pin
Bearings Clevite Cam, rod and main bearings
Heads AFR 225cc Race Ready 60cc aluminum heads with 2.08 & 1.60 stainless steel valves. These heads are perfect choice for 347 through 427 cubic inch Windsor engines operating between 4500 to 8500 rpm
Rocker Arms Scorpion Aluminum full roller, 1.6 ratio, 3/8" stud
Pushrods Manley 5/16 Chromemoly, hardened 1 pc
Cam & Lifters Lunati Hydraulic flat tappet, lift & duration selected to your specs
Bolts ARP Hi Performance head/main bolts & misc. engine bolts
Timing Chain Melling Double roller, 3 way crank sprocket
Gaskets Felpro High performance, mixed set, one piece oil pan gasket
Oil Pan Milodon 8 qt, low profile front sump gold anodized
Oil Pump Melling High Volume
Pump Drive Melling Heavy duty
Pump Pickup Milodon Standard screen, welded to pump
Dampner Pioneer SFI approved 28 oz. Balancer for counter sunk pulley
Flexplate Scat 28oz, 164 teeth, 14.2" diameter
Balance Job DES done in house High performance street/strip, piston and rods matched +- 1 gram
Engine completely assembled. All parts available separately

Could I turbo that or do you think would the compression be to high? there are no hp ratings but does anyone have a guess?
 
Lyncher said:
O yeah and the engine above ^^ has a 10:9:1 compression ratio...is that too high for a turbo?

Well,I run a 408 in our car.Its a dart block with 12:1 compression.

We though about turboing that.

You see,with more compression,the turbo will poduce more power (at the same boost),an will spool up faster.

The only thing is,and its a big thing,is that you would have to keep race gas in it all the time (we do anyhow),or run around 2-4 pounds of boost.