Borgeson Conversion On '67

[Rmoore45]

For my birthday I'm getting the Borgeson conversion for my '67 coupe 289 with factory power steering, I need help figuring out which one to get. I want the Saginaw pump (doesn't matter how I get it) but I also need to figure out if my car is a late '67 or an early '67. My date code is 04K, so the car was made on October 4th 1966 (or '67?). Is that early or late?

Borgeson does not list a kit for a 1967 mustang, however Mustangs Unlimited does.

What I would like to do is buy the kit for factory power steering, then get a Saginaw pump from a junkyard or summit racing.

Any advice, information, or alternatives would be much appreciated.

 

[horseballz]

Rmoore45,
The reason they don't list the "kit" for a 67 is because there were 2 different sector/output shaft diameters in that year. If you look at the listings for just the boxes you will find one listed as 65-67 with a 1" sector and one listed as 67-70 with 1 1/8" sector. If I were you I would eliminate the factory power steering center link/drag link and the OEM pitman arm and get one of each for 67- 69 with the 1 1/8 " sector. Either way you need to use the column shaft/floor mount 65-67:

Borgeson Universal Company :: Ford Mustang 65-04 :: 1965-1970 Mustang Power Steering Conversion Box & Components :: Column Shaft / Floor Mount, 65-67 Mustang

unless you have an oddball 67 with a rag joint. By eliminating the power steering center link and pitman arm you will eliminate the need for the adapter and it will be a cleaner, neater install. Instead of buying the "kit" I suggest you get all of the individual components needed. We'll be happy to help you decide exactly what you need. and I even recommend sourcing your own hoses so you can rout them more neatly than the Borgeson units will allow.
Just My $.02,
Gene

 

[gikort]

I'm just finishing the install on my '67. I really did the DIY budget install. I built my own p/s to m/s drag link converter out of the stock power valve (ill get some pics next week) because new, they cost 150.00, and to convert it to all manual steering components will cost even more than that. As for the steering column i cut it off along with the steering shaft (measure to correct length), then welded in a precision bearing in the end of the steering column that fit both the column and shaft (available at ace for around $8). Doing this, the rubber seal on the floor at the column is more than enough to hold the column sturdy in place without having to buy the firewall/shaft mount. I purchased a flaming river u-joint off ebay ($50) that fits the borgeson box then DD on the other end, ground two flat spots in the shaft to fit the u-joint. I think it looks a lot better than the rag joint, and you don't have to buy a new splined steering shaft. As for the hoses, yes build them yourself. The fittings are a little hard to find, but I found the 16mm to 6an adapters at summit for $5 each, then the angled 6an crimp on fittings for $15 each and pressure hose will cost you around $4 a foot. I used the stock mustang PS pump. I also got a new bushing for the idler arm ($8)

So if your willing to spend a little extra time and effort you can save a lot of $$ I'm into it less than $100 bucks plus the cost of the box. I'm sure you could find a good saginaw from the junkyard (i think all jeeps use them, wranglers, cherokees, grand cherokees) for $35 bucks or so. Good luck!

Anyway there's another route

 

[2+2GT]

What I would like to do is buy the kit for factory power steering, then get a Saginaw pump from a junkyard or summit racing.

Why? The Borgeson kit for factory PS replaces everything except the Ford/Thompson pump and pump brackets. If you get that from a junkyard, from any 67-69 Ford, and the kit, you are good to go.

The one real flaw I've seen in the Borgeson kit is they use a pulley with a very narrow groove, common, I suppose, to Chevys. This makes the belt ride down in the bottom of the grooves on the Ford pulleys, which reduces their grip.

 

[2+2GT]

What I would like to do is buy the kit for factory power steering, then get a Saginaw pump from a junkyard or summit racing.

Why? The Borgeson kit for factory PS replaces everything except the Ford/Thompson pump and pump brackets. If you get that from a junkyard, from any 67-69 Ford, and the kit, you are good to go.

The one real flaw I've seen in the Borgeson kit is they use a Saginaw pump with a pulley with a very narrow groove, common, I suppose, to Chevys. This makes the belt ride down in the bottom of the grooves on the Ford pulleys, which reduces their grip.

 

[Rmoore45]

I'm going to get the kit for power steering, install it, and see how it feels with the stock pump. The pump is brand new (5 months old), so it might be OK. If I don't like it I will get the Saginaw pump and fittings from summit and the bracket from Borgeson.

 

[68dustin]

I'm going to get the kit for power steering, install it, and see how it feels with the stock pump. The pump is brand new (5 months old), so it might be OK. If I don't like it I will get the Saginaw pump and fittings from summit and the bracket from Borgeson.

i have a 68 with the borgenson conversion and stock pump. Im running 245 tires in the front. You have to put a little more effort to turn at idle, but nothing that makes it uncomfortable to drive. It feels great on the freeway no slop at all!