Car Cranks Over, But Will Not Fire.

Chance EG

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Hey guys. Thought this was going to be an obvious fix but I'm getting a bit annoyed and confused now.

A few days ago my girlfriend stalled out my 5.0 while backing it out of a parking lot. We tried restarting the engine several times before giving up and pushing it back. I assumed that the engine was flooded, so I pulled all the spark plugs out, cleaned them with carb cleaner, and then let the car sit for at least 10 hours the following day with it's hood up in the sun to try and evaporate any gas out of the cylinders.

The plugs definitely reeked of gas when I pulled them, so I thought that would be the only issue. The car STILL isn't firing though, and I know each time I sit there and try to crank it over I'm just making the flood worse. I've tried holding the gas pedal all the way to the floor while cranking too.

The spark plugs are new, and I've recently replaced the fuel tank, filter, and fuel pump as well. They all seem to be working fine, I hear the pump prime when turning the car on.

Any ideas would be appreciated. The car is an 88 GT. Not sure if it could still just be flooded (even after all that?), or if I'm looking potentially at an ignition problem.

Any help would be appreciated. I'll keep an eye on the thread!
 
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Have you checked codes? Checked spark? Search for crank but no start here on this forum, there's a pretty good checklist that covers your symptoms, and offers solutions in a specific order.
 
If it is EFI check to see if it popped a code.

If you have spark, and spark. Is the timing advanced by chance? Have you tried the foot to floor and crank to see if fires up?
 
If it is EFI check to see if it popped a code.

If you have spark, and spark. Is the timing advanced by chance? Have you tried the foot to floor and crank to see if fires up?

I've tried starting it the last couple of times with the throttle floored, it didn't seem to make a difference. I think I may pull the plugs for the umpteenth time in the last couple of days again, and try turning the car over with them still plugged into the boot but not the cylinder, and see if I can see the plugs sparking.

Have you checked codes? Checked spark? Search for crank but no start here on this forum, there's a pretty good checklist that covers your symptoms, and offers solutions in a specific order.

Would I have a CEL light if I had any codes up? I guess not necessarily. Unfortunately I don't have an OBD scanner either right now regardless, probably wouldn't be a bad investment though I suppose.

I've tried googling the issue a few times but haven't checked specifically on these forums. I'll try poking around and fidgeting with the car more this afternoon.

Thanks for the input so far!
 
As suggested...

Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected 5.0 Mustangs model years 1986-1995

A word about this checklist before you start: it is arranged in a specific order to put the most likely failure items first. That will save you time, energy and money. Start at the top of the list and work your way down. Jumping around will possibly cause you to miss just what you need to see to find and fix the problem. Don’t skip any steps because the next step depends on the last step working correctly.


Revised 15-Sep-2014 to add temporarily bypassing the MSD box if it is present.

All text applies to all models unless stated otherwise.

Note: 94-95 specific changes are in red

1.) Remove push on connector (small red/blue wire) from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch to the Run position. Place car in neutral or Park and set the parking brake. Remove the coil wire from distributor & and hold it 3/8” away from the engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.

No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD, Crane, or other ignition box if present - Bypass it and return to stock configuration if possible. Do this as a temporary measure to eliminate it as a possible problem source.
B.) PIP sensor in distributor. The PIP sensor supplies the timing pulse to trigger the TFI and injectors. A failing PIP sensor will sometimes let the engine start if the SPOUT is removed. See paragraph 5A – Using a noid light will tell if the PIP is working by flashing when the engine is cranking.
C.) TFI module: use a test light to check the TFI module. Place one lead of the test light on the red/green wire on the ignition coil connector and the other lead on the dark green/yellow wire on the ignition coil connector. If the TFI is working properly, the test light will flash when the engine is cranked using the ignition switch.
D.) Coil
E.) No EEC or computer power - EEC or computer relay failure
86-93 models only: EEC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
94-95 models only: EEC or PCM power relay in the constant control relay module. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
Both 86-93 and 94-95 models: No 12 volts with the ignition switch in the run position on the fuel injector red wires. The relay has failed or there is no power coming from the ignition switch. Make sure that there is 12 volts on the red/green wire on the coil before replacing the relay.
F.) No EEC or computer power - fuse or fuse link failure
86-93 models only: Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid. Look for a 20 gauge blue fuse link connected to 2 black/orange 14 gauge wires.
94-95 models only: 20 amp EEC fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire. No 12 volts, blown fuse link or faulty ignition switch. Remove the plastic from around the ignition switch and look for 12 volts on the red/green wire on the ignition switch with it in the Run position. No 12 volts and the ignition switch is faulty. If 12 volts is present in the Run position at the ignition switch but not at the coil, then the fuse or fuse link is blown.
Note: fuses or fuse links blow for a reason. Don’t replace either a fuse or fuse link with one with a larger rating than stock. Doing so invites an electrical fire.
Ignition fuse links may be replaced with an inline fuse holder and 5 amp fuse for troubleshooting purposes.
94-95 models only: Check inside fuse panel for fuse #18 blown – 20 amp [fuse
H.) Missing or loose computer power ground. The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery.
In 86-90 model cars, it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire.
In 91-95 model cars it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/white wire.
You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness
I.) Computer. Don’t replace the computer just because you don’t understand how it works. Computers seldom fail, it usually is a sensor or wiring problem that causes the problems.
J.) Bad or missing secondary power ground. It is located between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.
K.) Engine fires briefly, but dies immediately when the key is released to the Run position. Crank the engine & when it fires off, pull the small push on connector (red/blue wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Hold the switch in the crank position: if it continues to run there is a problem with either the ignition switch or TFI module. Check for 12 volts at the red/green wire on the coil with the switch in the Run position. Good 12 volts, then replace the TFI. No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

Wiring Diagrams:

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/91-93_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 94-95 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/94-95_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif


AutoZone wiring diagrams: You can navigate to the diagrams yourself via Repair Info | AutoZone.com and select the car year, make, model and engine. That will enable you to bring up the wiring diagram for your particular car.

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability: [/b]
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.

Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 2-4 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the EEC test connector and jump the connector in the Upper RH corner to ground. The EEC connector is near the wiper motor and LH hood hinge.

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If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In a pinch, you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have. If you have any doubts about having sufficient fuel flow/pressure, rent a fuel pressure test gauge from the auto parts store. That will tell you for sure if you have adequate fuel pressure.


4.) No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) 86-90 models only: Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay.
91-93 models only Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
94-95 models only: 20 amp fuel pump fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. Look for 12 volts at the Dark green/yellow wire on the constant control relay module.
F.) Engine seem to load up on fuel and may have black smoke at the tailpipe. Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove the vacuum line from the regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while the pump is running. If fuel is coming out the vacuum port, the regulator has failed. Check the regulator vacuum line for fuel too. Disconnect it from the engine and blow air though it. If you find gas, the regulator has failed.

5.) Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.
A.) The PIP sensor in the distributor tells the computer when to fire the injectors. A failing PIP sensor will sometimes let the engine start if the SPOUT is removed.
A noid light available from any auto parts store, is one way to test the injector circuit to see if the injectors are firing. The noid light plugs into the fuel injector harness in place of any easily accessible injector. Plug it in and try to start the engine: it will flash if the injector is firing.

I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.
B.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
C.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).

See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.
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The injector power pin is the VPWR pin in the black 10 pin connector.


D.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the EEC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.
E.) TPS voltage exceeds 3.7 volts with the throttle closed. This will shut off the injectors, since the computer uses this strategy to clear a flooded engine. Use a DVM, a pair of safety pins, and probe the black/white and green wires to measure the TPS voltage.
On a 94-95 Mustang, probe the black/white and grey/white wires to measure the TPS voltage.
It should be .5-.1.0 volts with the key on, engine not running. Note that if the black/white wire (signal ground) has a bad connection, you will get some strange readings. Make a second measurement using the battery post as the ground to eliminate any ground problems. If the readings are different by more than 5%, you may have a high resistance condition in the black/white signal ground circuit.

6.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.
A.) Failed IAB or improperly set base idle (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car. See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently. If you removed the distributor, there is a good probability that you installed it 180 degrees out of time.
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it, if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
F. ) Engine that has had the heads off or valves adjusted. Do a compression test to make sure the valves are not adjusted too tight. You should have a minimum of 90 PSI on a cold engine.
 
Thanks Jrichker. Looks like I have plenty to start looking into now.

I've been working outside a lot already today so I'm not sure how much I'll do right now, but I'll definitely be working on the Rustbucket tomorrow so I'll update the thread once I get more information or fix the problem.
 
I'm still working through the troubleshooting list. The very first section gets a bit confusing to me for the starter solenoid.

I took one of the plugs out of the cylinder and put it back in the boot, then touched the plug to a bare piece of metal in the engine bay while my girlfriend cranked the car over. Was sparking consistently while she cranked, so it seems like (at least on that cylinder) the spark plug/wire/distributor were behaving appropriately.

I'm kinda still wondering if it's possible the engine is just STILL flooded. I've not been able to work on the car as much as I'd have liked to these last couple days since it started, but it's not too high priority either I suppose.

For the time being I'm once again leaving all the plugs out of the cylinders and just going to repeat the cycle of trying to dry everything out. I'm not ruling out an ignition problem (because I still have more on that list to figure out) but it still SEEMS like all the symptoms of a flooded engine based on my limited knowledge.

Based on at least one of the plugs sparking, what all can I rule out? Ignition, starter, distrib, and at least that individual plug/wire seem reasonable... I may be jumping to conclusions though.
 
Flooring the gas pedal signals to the EEC to turn off injectors during cranking. It's used to clear flooded engines.

I'd pin the gas pedal to the floor and crank it and see if that clears it out. I'd also be weary of the oil if too much gas has washed down the cylinder walls and is now in the oil. After you finally get it to fire, might want to change it.

What year is this car? 86-88 do not have check engine lights and 89-93 do but only 13 of the possible 100 codes actually trip the light.

Ive seen bad coolant tenp sensors cause similar symptoms. Holding pedal to floor usually gets the car started
 
Flooring the gas pedal signals to the EEC to turn off injectors during cranking. It's used to clear flooded engines.

I'd pin the gas pedal to the floor and crank it and see if that clears it out. I'd also be weary of the oil if too much gas has washed down the cylinder walls and is now in the oil. After you finally get it to fire, might want to change it.

What year is this car? 86-88 do not have check engine lights and 89-93 do but only 13 of the possible 100 codes actually trip the light.

Ive seen bad coolant tenp sensors cause similar symptoms. Holding pedal to floor usually gets the car started

It's an 88, and I tried flooring the gas for a few cranks a day or two ago and it didn't seem to make a difference.

Coolant temp sensor is an interesting idea. Since I bought the car I actually have been suspecting that the gauge didn't work properly as the needle never moves more than 1/8 up the temp gauge. I assumed it was the gauge itself but the sensor would be an interesting idea... Beyond that it would probably be a good idea for me to confirm the car is getting up to operating temp either way; Either the sensor or my gauge must be off.
 
Basic internal combustion mechanics
Air, fuel, spark.
Make sure your battery is cranking the engine sufficiently, try starter fluid, just a quick shot is all it takes, if it is a mass air car spray after the meter.
Check codes
Run the check list
Temp gauge sender: drivers side of intake behind the ac compressor, one wire
Temp sensor: passenger side in the metal heater hose tube behind the alternator, has more than one wire
 
Basic internal combustion mechanics
Air, fuel, spark.
Make sure your battery is cranking the engine sufficiently, try starter fluid, just a quick shot is all it takes, if it is a mass air car spray after the meter.
Check codes
Run the check list
Temp gauge sender: drivers side of intake behind the ac compressor, one wire
Temp sensor: passenger side in the metal heater hose tube behind the alternator, has more than one wire
Thanks, I'll be checking the temp sensor today just to double check it. May just replace/repair both that one and/or the gauge sender since I know at least the latter of which is off anyway.

I tried starting the car while the battery was hooked up to another vehicle, just to make sure the battery had enough voltage to kick everything over. Once again, no difference.

I'm quite sure fuel isn't the issue here; I just replaced the tank, filter(s), and put in a new 255lph. I can hear everything prime when I start the car, and I know the rails and everything are pressurized.

Spark also doesn't seem to be the problem, at least based off of that plug sparking yesterday.

I'll be going by Oreilly's later, and I'll keep investigating by pulling the codes and temperature pieces. The plugs are also all currently removed once again while I give the cylinders more time to dry/clear.

If I don't find any codes and everything else seems to check out I'll probably just shoot some starter fluid in it.
 
Work the checklist, one step at a time. If you will do that and not pick and choose what you want to, or what someone else tells you to do, you will find and fix the problem.

Since you have spark, did you do a test with the Noid light? What were the results?
NO pass on the Noid light says that the fuel injectors aren't pulsing.​

If the Noid light test was good, do you have fuel pressure?