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car has spark and fuel pressure, but wont start, help help

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dfresh5050

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car started today, now it wont start, it has pressure and spark, theres a paxton fuel pressure reg. and im screwin with and it still wont start, any ideas??? help, 24# injectors, this started today, worked this morning, but wont turnover now.


also there is fuel comin out of the top of the reg. where the screw goes in, to change pressure? bad reg?? help me


help???????????


never had any problem like this before, its a 90 with all the bolt ons, reg. is atleast 30,000 miles old
 

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Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Coil
B.) TFI module
C.) PIP sensor in distributor
D.) ECC relay next to computer
E.) Fuse links in wiring harness
F.) Ignition switch
G.) Computer

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t ,then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing. A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring. I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

A.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
B.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
C.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.
A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order form the non HO engines.
 
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car has spark and fuel pressure, it still wont turnover, its just cranks and cranks, but doesnt try to fire up.

im lost for ideas, bought new selanoid and the thind the next to it, cant think of the name, somebody help me please????



gas comes out of the top of the regulator when it cranks, where the screw is to loosten and tighten the pressure???

help me!!!!!!!
 
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Right after cranking the engine over pull a plug to see if there is fuel on it.You could have pressure at the regulator and the computer still not turning on the injectors.Make sure the vaccum lines are all on right and no leaks.You must not have spark or fuel cause if you did it would try to start if you did.
 

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sound like a bad reg to me!!! not supposed to leak!!!! where do you live??
 
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thanx, ill try again tomorrom, im in phoenix

it cranks and cranks but not even a little growl, for it to start, absolutely nothing??
 
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hey dude, i'd do the ether thing in jrichkers list...if it trys to start then, then you'll know it's a prob. w/ your injectors. You could also probe your TPS w/ a multimeter if you have one...hook (-) to black wire and (+) to Orange wire and see if you get 5 volts +/- .1 volt...a lot of us jam safety pins into the wires and then clip on to the pins. If you're not getting 5 volts +/- .1, that could be the problem. Who knows, but i'd do the ether thing first. I just had this problem and found out my computer connector wasn't plugged in well enough Also yeah, umm...don't think the reg. is supposed to be leaking like that...
 

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Follow the checklist and you'll find and fix over 95% of the no start problems.

Fuel coming out of the fuel pressure regulator line is an indication of a failed fuel pressure regulator. It will flood the engine and cause it not to start.
 
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