LORL HA HA HA HA!I traded my Edelbrock years ago for a western bacon combo and some midget ****
I traded my Edelbrock years ago for a western bacon combo and some midget ****
If Nascar could pick, do you think any of the crew chiefs would pick an E carb ? It's not because of sponsors. A out of the box Holley (tricked out or not) wins hands down every time. And I think if you knew alot about carbs and how they worked inside and out, and why, you would know that. If they were so tuneable, you wouldn't see a ton of threads floating around here with all the guys and a secondary lean hesitation that can't be tuned out.
Even Vic himself runs Holleys on his race cars.
One of the guys on Stangnet caught him at the track a couple of years ago with a holley on one of his track cars.
Exactly right. But E carbs have fundamentaly flaws that you may be able to cover it up, but it's still not tuned properly. Just because it doesn't bog or hestitate doesn't make it right."If they knew what they were doing, it wouldn't be a problem."
THat's because you have to make the pump shot up front so huge, it covers the lean spot. Or put light springs in metering rods to activate it earlier. Or raise the float levels. You you do enough of it, you can get rid of the bog. But if you cover up the lean spot with a primary squiter, I would had to see your in town mileage when it's not neededI have no problem getting any secondary hesitation out of my edelbrocks.
Please refer to the first quote. People would rather ask questions than learn by reading or experimentation. Then they get answers on here from people that don't know any better either. then they blame the holley because they can't tune it when they used bum advice to begin with.Why do you see a ton of threads floating around here asking about holley power valves? And why do I have to constantly change my idle mixture screws?
If you can create over a G out of the hole or about 1.7 60 foots, yes. Easy answer. But I've never seen a car with an E carb pull the wheels, so it might not be a problem. I dunno. Never seen it happen yet.Do I need jet extensions?
These are the best ones. People go to swap meets and buy "junk' holleys and rebuild them and sell a perfectly good working carb. I remember the first time I got pissed at a junk hooley. I the needle and seats way to high and the motor would barely run. OR they get a great deal at a swap meet, throw in a kit with no idea how the reset the floats. And it runs horrible, and that's if the poor thing gets a rebuild.Where is this massive internal leak coming from?
The are simpler, but that is the reason you can't dial them in as well. It's no more difficult than E carbs to get them close to perfect.Edelbrocks have far fewer types of problems because they are more simple, so they always have the same problem.... hesitation.
Holleys are adjustable. e's aren't. If you get a holley that bogs, you slow it down until the bog goes away. Can't do that with an E. Your stuck with how ever fast it opens and that's it.The reason holleys don't have that more is because the vacuum secondary carbs open more slowly, and the double pumpers are shooting in twice the gas.
The only thing better about an E is that it is easier to make changes to cruise VS WOT because the rods are easy to change. But the combinations are very limited. I would rather it be more difficult honestly, for a more precise tune.I see threads with part throttle richness or lean conditions that they can't get rid of on holleys, no problem to fix with an edelbrock's metering rod system.
Did you know taht double pumpers are jetted for race cars ? And the PVCR's are little on the small side because the fronts are jetted up5 sizes. Not crucial in a race car. A vacuum sec holley even gets better gas mileage than a DP.well, a lot of the stuff you said about the tuning of them, especially overcompensating with the accelerator pump and having bad gas mileage just isn't true. I would get 15 mpg in town and 27 on the freeway with a 750 edelbrock and never could get any better than 13 in town and 24 on the freeway with the stock carb and similar with a double pumper.
Sure, and it only took them what 40 years to finally make the secondaries adjustable ? But nobody yet, really even has those carbs. And you still have all the other flaws of an E carb.But have you not heard of the thunder series edelbrock carbs? Secondaries are adjustable. Plus, on other models, people have been adding weight on to the air valve flap weights, or filing material off to adjust how fast or slow the thing opens for years.
Sure, and it only took them what 40 years to finally make the secondaries adjustable ? But nobody yet, really even has those carbs. And you still have all the other flaws of an E carb.
Well, like I said earlier, you can't really compare any hardcore racing carbs or parts to edelbrock carbs because they just don't make any racing carbs, they are all street carbs. If they did make a strictly racing one, I would put it on my racer hands down.
Why are you getting so defensive and telling me I don't know anything about carbs? The reason you see a ton of threads floating around here with secondary lean hesitations that "can't be tuned out" is easy. I'll use your argument here. "If they knew what they were doing, it wouldn't be a problem." I have no problem getting any secondary hesitation out of my edelbrocks. Why do you see a ton of threads floating around here asking about holley power valves? And why do I have to constantly change my idle mixture screws? Do I need jet extensions? Where is this massive internal leak coming from? Edelbrocks have far fewer types of problems because they are more simple, so they always have the same problem.... hesitation. The reason holleys don't have that more is because the vacuum secondary carbs open more slowly, and the double pumpers are shooting in twice the gas. Kudos to that, but it's not really a problem for me and my edelbrock. I see threads with part throttle richness or lean conditions that they can't get rid of on holleys, no problem to fix with an edelbrock's metering rod system.
Never had a problem with a vacum secondary opening problem that could not be tuned out with the Holley spring kit. I have had 2 Carter AFB's (Edelbrock)that cracked throttle bodies and would leak-down after shut-off and foul plugs like crazy.
I am curious what you mean by cracked throttle bodies and how exactly they cracked.
Most leak-down after shut-off problems with edelbrocks are excessive fuel pressure problems.
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