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code 41 and 91, cant figure it out

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when I start it and drive it whether it still warm or cold the car is boggy and sputtery and first. After 20 seconds off driving it goes away. When I floor it sometimes it boggs down also. I know the codes mean lean. I hooked up a friends air fuel gauge and it was way lean. I cranked the fuel pressure up and it would change. I check vacume and its fine. I have no egr its blocked off. O2 sensors are fine, I checked the ohms and voltage, checks out. Replaced the intake gaskets, checked timing. My friend said I have a clogged injector. i pulled them a sprayed them w/ cleaner, now chacge. I will take any help I can get.
 
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Did a search did find anything, but one guy thqat had the same problem as me, but never said what fixed it. I car ran mint last summer too. I tried a new fuel filter too, nothing. I have a 190 pump. I did run the car bone dry on gas last week.
 
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I know you said you pulled the injectors and changed the filter, but you might try some fuel system cleaner in the tank; I like sea-foam - you can get it at O'Reilly.

My Jeep has had similar problems and twice I've pull the O2 sensor, heated it w/ a torch a few times to clean it off and put it back in; runs fine most of the time after that and my check engine light goes off. I know you tested yours, but just kinda what worked on the Jeep.

I can't think of much that would only cause those problems for the first 20 sec and then quit. What is your timing set at? It kinda does sound like timing a little bit. 10* BTDC is stock, some like 12-14*, but each motor is different.
 
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I have the timing at 16. Weird thing is the problem kinda stopped. I dont understand this. I will put a air fuel gauge on it tomarrow and see. If it runs good but still reads lean, and even after I crank the fuel pressure up and if it still says lean what do you think. Is the gauge shot?
 
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I had these codes for years. It's right and left HEGO's always lean. Check the orange O2 harness ground behind the intake manifold. It's usually attached to the same spot on the block that the ground strap is. It often comes off, leaving the O2's un grounded, and essentially not working. The ECU sees this as a super lean condition, and will try to correct it by making it run super rich and backing off timing.

Good luck!

 

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unless you have access to a wideband, i would not infer anything from the A/F gauge (it could mislead you). i think of non-widebands like a voltmeter that reads from 11.5 to 12.5 volts - not very useful to diagnostics.

while running codes you have run a cylinder balance test (tests injectors).

good luck.
 

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Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 99 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 22 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures. Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
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See http://www.dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html for more descriptive help
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See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at Walmart.
 
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i'll try the cylindcheck ther balance test and let you know what happens, i'll also e orarnge groung wire which i did cut a once to relocate it.

Thanks for all the help.
 
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I checked the cylinder balance test. I came up with 99, so there fine. It seems to be running well now.
 
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