DO i need THIS????

Newbie143 · May 31, 2005

I'm ordering the steeda U/D Pullieys. Do i need the timing adjuster along with the pullieys??? what good is it gonna do? and should i really get it?
and will I need to change the belt after installing the U/D pullieys??

Newbie143 · May 31, 2005

and will it give me any power ? the steeda timing adjuster i mean

Kilgore Trout · May 31, 2005

Do not put any of that crap on your car. The pullies lower cooling and alternator charging. The timing adjuster is just plain stupid on an ODBII car.

Think carefully and research well before you do that stuff...

GTvert01 · May 31, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:
Do not put any of that crap on your car. The pullies lower cooling and alternator charging. The timing adjuster is just plain stupid on an ODBII car.

Think carefully and research well before you do that stuff...

I haven't had any cooling or charging problems on my car, and the steeda u/d's have been on there for over 2 years.The old 5.0s were a different story, but they are fine on the 4.6.How is bumping the timing stupid?Adding power is a good thing.I would go for a programmer in place of the t/a though, you get more options.

Kilgore Trout · May 31, 2005

GTvert01 said:
How is bumping the timing stupid?Adding power is a good thing.I would go for a programmer in place of the t/a though, you get more options.

Yes that is what I meant, use programmer to adjust timing...

Newbie143 · May 31, 2005

so if I get the steeda U/D pulleys will I need either a programmer or a timing adjuster??
can i run the pulleys withought either or not??

GTvert01 · May 31, 2005

Newbie143 said:
so if I get the steeda U/D pulleys will I need either a programmer or a timing adjuster??
can i run the pulleys withought either or not??

the steeda u/d can be installed regardless, but both the t/a and programmer advance the timing.The programmer will give you more options though.What year car and what transmission do you have?

Mr GT 02 · May 31, 2005

you can run pulleys without either.

csledd · May 31, 2005

I recommend U/D pullies... it slows down your accessories by 25% that just sit and rob hp from you.

Joel's98GT · May 31, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:
Do not put any of that crap on your car. The pullies lower cooling and alternator charging. The timing adjuster is just plain stupid on an ODBII car.

Think carefully and research well before you do that stuff...

and why would somone take tech advice from somone who isn't modding thier car, and obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

Newbie, pullies are a mustang staple mod, they are just as reliable as your stockers, and yes you can install them without the timing adjuster.
The timing adjuster depends on what YOU want, if you plan on doing alot of mods and getting a tune of some sort down the road, don't bother. but on the other hand adjusting timing has proven to gain a little HP usually about 4-5 accross the board. I have been using one for a couple years. Also you can usually sell them for about 100 bucks you paid for them if you buy used.

If i were you, i would kinda lean toward getting a set of pullies and waiting to get a tuner or tune, since they take care of so much more than just timing, but if you are only going to lightly mod the car go ahead with the TA.

SigmaPride · May 31, 2005

Just installed Steeda's pullies last night on my '99. The crank bolt was a HUGE PITA to get off. I couldn't get it off, but my neighbor managed to finally get it off with brute strengh and talking to it a little. He had to resort to using his torque wrench for the additional leverage. I think it was harder because my car has 95k miles, but who knows. Tightening it back to spec also takes some serious strength to tighten it the last 1/4 turn. The right tools would have made things alot easier, but what are you gonna do.

I debated gettng pullies heavily and so far am glad I did. Took a quick run last night and did feel a difference all around.

Newbie143 · May 31, 2005

GTvert01 said:
the steeda u/d can be installed regardless, but both the t/a and programmer advance the timing.The programmer will give you more options though.What year car and what transmission do you have?

i got a 2004 GT 5speed TR 3650

GTvert01 · May 31, 2005

Newbie143 said:
i got a 2004 GT 5speed TR 3650

okay then, the tuner will not help you on shifts, but you can advance your timing and correct your speedo after your gears with a programmer easily.There are a lot more advantages to them, check out the diablosport or sct tuner.

fudleyd · May 31, 2005

I put on Steeda pulleys and the timing adjuster at the same time...noticed a pretty good improvement. I have had no charging issues or anything, just a decent gain for a small amount of money. SigmaPride is right, the crank bolt is a PITA but one tip I can give you is to put your car in 5th gear before attempting to remove it. Also make sure you seal around the bolt with some RV sealant or you will end up with a good leak... You also want to tighten it back to factory specs or you will end up with an SES light.

Good luck man, let us know how it goes!

Kilgore Trout · May 31, 2005

Joel's98GT said:
and why would somone take tech advice from somone who isn't modding thier car, and obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

You know it IS possible to express your opinions without attacking someone else...

You are telling him to do pullies because that is what you did, I am telling him not to because that is what I did. So we are both recommending what we have chosen. That does not make me "not know what I am talking about" and it sure as hell does not make you the opposite...

Anyway if you insist on installing pullies please read this:

TSB 14520
4.6L 4V Pulley Instructions
Some 1996-2001 Mustang owners, for engine performance purposes, are adding a special front drive pulley kit to reduce front accessory drive speeds. When removing and replacing the crank pulley, if the large bolt used to hold the crank pulley undertorqued, the keyway will shear and cause major engine damage. The resulting engine damage is not warrantable. If the crankshaft pulley bolt is removed it should be replaced as it is a torque to yield bolt. The installation of the crankshaft pulley requires that a specific torque operation be adhered to. The crankshaft pulley bolt must be installed using these 4 steps: 1) Torque to 75 lbs/ft 2) Back out one turn 3) torque to 45 lb?ft 4) continue to tighten and additional 90 degrees.

east_sidaz40 · May 31, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:
Some 1996-2001 Mustang owners,

well i got a 2004 , is that gonna make the instal a bit easier!?

GTvert01 · May 31, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:
You know it IS possible to express your opinions without attacking someone else...

You are telling him to do pullies because that is what you did, I am telling him not to because that is what I did. So we are both recommending what we have chosen. That does not make me "not know what I am talking about" and it sure as hell does not make you the opposite...

Anyway if you insist on installing pullies please read this:

TSB 14520
4.6L 4V Pulley Instructions
Some 1996-2001 Mustang owners, for engine performance purposes, are adding a special front drive pulley kit to reduce front accessory drive speeds. When removing and replacing the crank pulley, if the large bolt used to hold the crank pulley undertorqued, the keyway will shear and cause major engine damage. The resulting engine damage is not warrantable. If the crankshaft pulley bolt is removed it should be replaced as it is a torque to yield bolt. The installation of the crankshaft pulley requires that a specific torque operation be adhered to. The crankshaft pulley bolt must be installed using these 4 steps: 1) Torque to 75 lbs/ft 2) Back out one turn 3) torque to 45 lb?ft 4) continue to tighten and additional 90 degrees.

It's not a 4V, and even if it was, it wouldn't matter.It's not rocket science and some dealers will try to drop your warranty over an air freshener.If you have a mod friendly dealer, they will help you out.

Newbie143 · May 31, 2005

does anyone know of a place where i can get the installation steps along with some pics maybe.
thx

Joel's98GT · Jun 1, 2005

Kilgore Trout said:
You know it IS possible to express your opinions without attacking someone else...

You are telling him to do pullies because that is what you did, I am telling him not to because that is what I did. So we are both recommending what we have chosen. That does not make me "not know what I am talking about" and it sure as hell does not make you the opposite...

NO, i'm not telling him too because i did it, if i had a supercharger i'd still tell him to do it. You are not telling him not to because you HEARD that they cause problems, not because you expierienced them or even saw it happen. How about sticking to stuff you actually know about, body kits and neon light forums maybe? And yes, not working on cars does = not knowing much about them.

the quote above was about the pulley not being properly installed. which would not be covered under warranty. well, duh! In no way is it saying that pullies void your warranty. A ford dealer was replacing my t-45 trany with a new one because i bent the shift fork, they decided to give me crap of my steeda tri-ax shifter. I calmly asked the service manager to take a walk with me to the show room, he did and we stood there looking at a stage one saleen mustang,
i asked, "is this thing covered under ford warranty?"
he said, "yes"
"what about the tranny?"
"of course."
then i climbed in the car, popped the cover off the shifter and asked him if this handle looked firmiliar? and told him that if he removed the rubber under the handle that it would be the same shifter that was in my car. Yeah, i got it fixed for free.

HoustonGT · Jun 1, 2005

Get the UD Pullies and make sure they are installed correctly. I think you should just wait and save up for a tune or a programmer because with that, you get more than just a bump in timing.

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