Dyno time for the TA again - estimates?

[89tang]

Time to dyno the TA again after swapping in a bigger cam.

Old cam
1200-6000rpm
Duration @ .050- 212/218
Lift- .522/.529
Lobe- 114*

353rwhp 392rwtq on a 50shot of spray 402rwhp 502rwtq

New cam
1700-6600rpm
Druation @ .050- 224/224
Lift- .563/.563
Lobe- 112*

It will be on a 75shot of spray this time. So what do you guys think it'll make?

The guy that tunes the car said he expects 380rwhp which i'm hoping to hit. And about 450rwhp on the spray . I will say it's a whole different car after the cam swap though. Also the other mods are stock 3.23 gears, Lid, 160* thermo, home ported heads w/918 springs, hardened pushrods, Underdrive, LS6 intake, 36lb injectors, LT headers/ORY with a cutout, Magnaflow catback, 3500 stall, 255lph pump, trans cooler. I'd say it'll give the stang a run for it's money maybe even beat it now

I'll have to wait on times though since the track is closed. On the old cam it went 12.7@110 on street tires launching off idle and 12.3@117 on spray the same night. I was turning the spray on at the top of 2nd gear, easily in the 11's if i had some traction and was able to run the car how it it shoulda been ran.

 

[Danman765432]

You should get a Fast Intake with 90mm throttle body and i would say some new heads such as (Precison Race Components Stg 2.5 5.3L Heads) my brother ran that and an agressive cam and made 430 to the wheels

 

[89tang]

You should get a Fast Intake with 90mm throttle body and i would say some new heads such as (Precison Race Components Stg 2.5 5.3L Heads) my brother ran that and an agressive cam and made 430 to the wheels

Don't want a fast with a 90mm TB mainly cause they cost to much, and i don't have the setup for it. As for heads maybe down the road but i doubt it. And was the 430rwhp your brother made from an M6 or a stalled A4 there's a pretty big difference in numbers between the 2. If i wanted that stuff i woulda bought it to begin with lol the car is driven by my g/f most of the time it'll have plenty of power to keep up with pretty much anything street driven around here.

 

[stykthyn]

without spray I think you will push close to 400 easily. with the shot 450? your goals sound reasonable

 

[blackened88lx]

380 sounds possible, 450 on the spray. That thing is making some serious torque on the spray Got any pics of the car?

 

[89tang]

380 sounds possible, 450 on the spray. That thing is making some serious torque on the spray Got any pics of the car?

Sure do

Not bad for a car with 105k on it

Here's a thread from about a month ago that has an exhaust clip and at the bottom i added a quick cruise vid. from the TA. It isn't as lopey now since the tune, it has a higher idle but still pretty noticable. And the tuner said it runs 100 times better after the tune also which i haven't been able to test cause it's f'ing raining here

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=665816

 

[89tang]

And don't be to fooled by the torque numbers, i'm not to positive how correct they are. A big stalled A4 will play tricks on the torque numbers due to the big torque spike at the beginning of the run.

 

[Danman765432]

Yeah he has an M6...its a nice car you have...if i didnt buy mine i would have probably bought a LS1...Trust me on that you will keep up with anything on the road...Just wondering did you run into a problem with shifting yet in the car...My brother is having a problem with his master and slave cylinder where it wont let him shift into third at full throttle?

 

[89tang]

Yeah he has an M6...its a nice car you have...if i didnt buy mine i would have probably bought a LS1...Trust me on that you will keep up with anything on the road...Just wondering did you run into a problem with shifting yet in the car...My brother is having a problem with his master and slave cylinder where it wont let him shift into third at full throttle?

Thanks, i don't have a problem shifting i have an A4 . Also with those mods your brother has he shoulda made almost 450-480rwhp. Was that a mustang dyno or something?

I changed it 500rwhp was pushing it i guess, but 500 is obtainable.

 

[Speeds8erM-1]

Most HCI LS1's are nowhere near 500 unless you count the dyno trick queen shop cars. Even a REALLY aggressive setup usually doesnt get near that.

410-470ish is average depending on how agressive it is.

Alot of big cube cars only do high 400's, low 500's in the real world.

 

[89tang]

Most HCI LS1's are nowhere near 500 unless you count the dyno trick queen shop cars. Even a REALLY aggressive setup usually doesnt get near that.

410-470ish is average depending on how agressive it is.

Alot of big cube cars only do high 400's, low 500's in the real world.

470 is around 500 i meant plus or minus 25-30 or so hp as a quick response without having to go into detail, i changed my reply. BUT still 410rwhp with a M6 H/C/I LS1? Hell alot of bigger cam only cars are between 370-410rwhp your saying a good set of heads and a ported Fast 90/90 won't bump that to atleast 470-500rwhp? That's all i'm saying his 430rwhp seems abit low for the aggressive setup he says his brother has. I would have expected 450 or more atleast.

 

[stykthyn]

did you work on your tranny? my z28 ate 2 stockers till I put in a th350.
the first one blew out the front seal, slipped on the 2-3 shift and ate 4 push rods. I replaced that one with another 4l60e w/shift kit and a yank 3500 stall. it also melted down. on my 3rd tranny now th350, and so far knock on wood no more problems.

 

[89tang]

did you work on your tranny? my z28 ate 2 stockers till I put in a th350.
the first one blew out the front seal, slipped on the 2-3 shift and ate 4 push rods. I replaced that one with another 4l60e w/shift kit and a yank 3500 stall. it also melted down. on my 3rd tranny now th350, and so far knock on wood no more problems.

No i did no work to the tranny besides the TCI 3500 and a tranny cooler.

 

[Speeds8erM-1]

My friend LTHL_SS from LS1tech, now LTHL-Z06 on there, had an 02 SS with a big agressive cam (had to flycut the pistons, Rapid Motorsports LS6 Heads, FAST 90/90 setup, all the boltons and di 474 rwhp through a 12 bolt with 4.30's and chromoly driveshaft. That setup was VERY aggressive and more of a dyno queen than anything, it was VERY peaky. He was told when he bought it that it had made a hair over 500 rwhp, which turned out to not be true unless they counted taking the belt off and dynoing it on spares or something.

His 01 Z06 with TEA 1.5 LS6 Heads, G5X3 Cam, Fast 90/90 (tried a ported and non ported FAST, got the same numbers), LG Longtubes, Offroad X Pipe, UD Pulley did 456 rwhp through a built rearend on the same dyno.

Friend's 98 WS6 6 Speed did 414 rwhp with older set of APE Heads, G5X Cam, LS6 Intake, LT's and Cutout through 4.10's and 18's on a different dyno than the cars posted above.

Another friend's 98 Z28 did 425 rwhp with OLDER Patriot Heads, Magic Stick 3, FAST 90/90, Forged Bottom End. Car didnt put down much but runs GOOD.

Another friend's 02 WS6 did 504 rwhp with a LME 408, LME 6.0 Heads, 246/257 .633./646 114 Cam, FAST 90/90, 11:1 Compression, Kooks 1 7/8-2" Headers, True Duals, NO AC or PS did. Car has a 9 inch and heavy driveshaft though and is more nitrous friendly than anything.

I know all about the big number claims on LS1 boards and 90% of the time it's BS or dyno tricks done on a shop car or a poster boy for said shop. Thats why they have new cams coming out every week with fancy names, the internet folks buy em up!

 

[89tang]

My friend LTHL_SS from LS1tech, now LTHL-Z06 on there, had an 02 SS with a big agressive cam (had to flycut the pistons, Rapid Motorsports LS6 Heads, FAST 90/90 setup, all the boltons and di 474 rwhp through a 12 bolt with 4.30's and chromoly driveshaft. That setup was VERY aggressive and more of a dyno queen than anything, it was VERY peaky. He was told when he bought it that it had made a hair over 500 rwhp, which turned out to not be true unless they counted taking the belt off and dynoing it on spares or something.

His 01 Z06 with TEA 1.5 LS6 Heads, G5X3 Cam, Fast 90/90 (tried a ported and non ported FAST, got the same numbers), LG Longtubes, Offroad X Pipe, UD Pulley did 456 rwhp through a built rearend on the same dyno.

Friend's 98 WS6 6 Speed did 414 rwhp with older set of APE Heads, G5X Cam, LS6 Intake, LT's and Cutout through 4.10's and 18's on a different dyno than the cars posted above.

Another friend's 98 Z28 did 425 rwhp with OLDER Patriot Heads, Magic Stick 3, FAST 90/90, Forged Bottom End. Car didnt put down much but runs GOOD.

Another friend's 02 WS6 did 504 rwhp with a LME 408, LME 6.0 Heads, 246/257 .633./646 114 Cam, FAST 90/90, 11:1 Compression, Kooks 1 7/8-2" Headers, True Duals, NO AC or PS did. Car has a 9 inch and heavy driveshaft though and is more nitrous friendly than anything.

I know all about the big number claims on LS1 boards and 90% of the time it's BS or dyno tricks done on a shop car or a poster boy for said shop. Thats why they have new cams coming out every week with fancy names, the internet folks buy em up!

So your saying the dyno queen's you have quoted don't run good times? I'm sure some of the claims are BS but there's ALOT of claims on the boards. But to say 90% of them are BS come on.

I know dyno numbers are not everything but i asked what everyone thought MY CAR would dyno at. I didn't ask what combo do you think i should have. I said his numbers seemed low and then you come in and tell me that 90% of the numbers on the forums are completely wrong. And you go on to quote a few of your friends that have lower numbers to prove nothing.

Hey if i'm wrong that's fine if all the numbers on LS1 forums are wrong that's fine too whatever you want to believe. That wasn't the point of this thread to argue dyno numbers i was just stating what i have read.

 

[Speeds8erM-1]

So your saying the dyno queen's you have quoted don't run good times? I'm sure some of the claims are BS but there's ALOT of claims on the boards. But to say 90% of them are BS come on.

I know dyno numbers are not everything but i asked what everyone thought MY CAR would dyno at. I didn't ask what combo do you think i should have. I said his numbers seemed low and then you come in and tell me that 90% of the numbers on the forums are completely wrong. And you go on to quote a few of your friends that have lower numbers to prove nothing.

Hey if i'm wrong that's fine if all the numbers on LS1 forums are wrong that's fine too whatever you want to believe. That wasn't the point of this thread to argue dyno numbers i was just stating what i have read.

Im saying the "HCI LS1's should make 500 rwhp easy" isnt true unless you define "easy", the few that do it on the boards are usually shop cars. In the real world making 500 rwhp from a H&C setup isnt near that easy. Yes it can be done but "easily"? Come on now. What a handfull of people do on a board doesnt make it the norm and telling a guy on here his brother's car should have made 500+ "EASILY" because it's a "HCI LS1" just isnt true. 500 is very DOABLE but the run of the mill HCI LS1 car isnt near that usually.

The 02 SS I was talking about was one of "those cars" get it out in the real world and it didnt make that power.

Another person I know has a 02 Phase III ZL1 427, $104000 car, supposed to have done over 500 before he picked it up, dynoed 456 when he dynoed it, he took it back and they "retuned it" and it made "500+" again on their dyno supposedly.

Your car, with the TR224 cam, hmmm, are you gonna be dynoing it locked or unlocked?

 

[Danman765432]

yeah i forgot that you said you had an auto...my mistake....but my brothers setup looked like this n/a '99 Black z28, M6, LT's, TSP Catted Y, SLP Dual/Dual,Torquer II, PRC Stg2.5 5.3L Heads, FAST 90/90, Pulley, Lid. He also was running a 100 shot but didnt use it that often and didnt get it dynoed with the nitrous. His tune was also a very safe tune.

Now he gave me his nitrous since he is planning on going turbo but needs to save up for a new h/c/i and the turbo parts, transmission, and rearend. So yeah thats a lot of money.

 

[FastDriver]

Read a magazine article in "Engine Masters" about a guy making 550 hp (read crank horsepower) with his LS1. He listed the complete combo to include cam specs. It was an LS1 with AFR205 heads, the LS6 intake, and a tiny 224/228 cam.

Stroked out to 402 c.i. he put the same combo on it, and interestingly it made the same amount of power only at a lower rpm. Then they swapped cams 3x, dynoing each time, and they went from AFR205s to AFR225s. They finally dynoed right at 600 hp with a solid roller cam. The monster hydraulic 239/24x cam was too big to make more useable power. I think it picked up a little on top end, but lost too much bottom end to increase performance.

I'm not sure that the rule of thumb still applies, but 85% of 600 hp = 510 rwhp, and if that's the case, I find it hard to believe many people are pulling those kind of numbers out of a 346 c.i. motor with anything resembling a street-friendly naturally aspirated engine 15* head or not.

Chris

 

[Speeds8erM-1]

500 rwhp is completely doable in a 346 LS1 just not "super easy" or so easy that every HCI setup on the block makes that much.

We will see what my friend who own's a dyno and tunes these mofos does soon. He has an 02 SS, TEA LS6 Heads now but being swapped to TEA Trickflows, big ass cam, Ported Fast 90/90, built bottom end, good amount of compression.

 

[89tang]

I'm not going to argue about this dumbass stuff because like i said IT WASN'T THE POINT OF MY THREAD. If you would like to argue about it more make your own thread


No matter what anyone says we are all going to think what we want. So why keep going everyone has a friend that's a tuner/dyno owner that said this or they saw that blah blah blah. Or read an article that is the holy grail and it said this.