EGR problem or not? Idle issue

[speed1972]

Helping a buddy out with this.... When the car is cold, starts right up and idles fine. Once the car is shut off and restarted, it will not idle at all and will shut off 9 times out of 10. If a constant vacuum line is hooked to the EGR, it idles perfect every time but sounds like it is misfiring and the car jerks driving down the road at a steady rpm and also takes an extra 5 seconds before the car will start when cranking it. Tried replacing idle air control valve and adjusting fuel pressure, tps, and idle which made no difference. Cleaned all electrical connections, mass air, etc, and checked for vacuum leaks. Any ideas to help get this problem fixed would be a great help......

Larry

 

[jrichker]

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong. EGR codes will come up as code 3x.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Walmart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?3829 – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $35.

 

[speed1972]

sorry, took a while to get back on here (work called me away a lot the past 2 weeks)... I will have him try that and see what comes up. Thanks Jrichker

 

[90mustangGT]

Hmmm. kind of sounds like an EGR position sensor because opening the EGR helps it idle, which is rare, because that will usually stall a vehicle. The computer thinks the EGR is open, therefore compensates timing and fuel, causing it to stall. The EGR is probally mostly clogged up as well becaues a wide open EGR will usually stall a vehicle fast.

 

[jrichker]

Hmmm. kind of sounds like an EGR position sensor because opening the EGR helps it idle, which is rare, because that will usually stall a vehicle. The computer thinks the EGR is open, therefore compensates timing and fuel, causing it to stall. The EGR is probally mostly clogged up as well becaues a wide open EGR will usually stall a vehicle fast.

You are right about that. One of the Key On Engine Running tests opens the EGR and watches for the RPM's to drop. That's how the computer can tell if the EGR is opening while it is in test mode.