Election...Let's See How SN Compares To Nation

Chythar said:

Feel free, though I believe you are worrying needlessly. I have been following this campaign pretty close, and I have never seen or heard anything from the Obama camp that says they will take guns away from Americans. Has Obama said he will? Or was it a rumor?

I'm not accusing, just asking. We're all Mustang owners here.

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maybe he thought it was implied

Obama is a huge anti-gunner. For starters he wants too ban all semi-auto weapons. We do pheasant hunts in central south dakota and I can't even guess how many people brought semi-auto shotguns this year. He also wanted to ban handguns, another thing he tried was to allow only one gun purchase per month. And create more restrictions all the way around.

Chythar said:

Has Obama said he will? Or was it a rumor?

I'm not accusing, just asking. We're all Mustang owners here.

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Although he has stated that the constitution is outdated, he can not kill the 2nd amendment, but what he can do is make the cost of ownership so high that it'll be damn near impossible to own/buy one.

I too have followed this election VERY closely, I've spent more time researching the candidates for this election than any in my life. I think my time here shows that when something interest me I research the hell out of it. I'm short on time right now but here's a quick link to Obama on the 2nd amendment with additional links to back the "facts" that are listed...

NRA-ILA :: On the Second Amendment, Don?t Believe Obama!

Maybe its because I live in PA which has me feeling the way I do. This is from a link in the above link:

Pittsburgh Tribune Review on Wednesday said:

1 million hunters make Pennsylvania first in the nation in the amount of time its citizens spend hunting each year, according to the state Game Commission. The National Rifle Association says Pennsylvania has one of the highest per-capita memberships among states, with hundreds of thousands of people affiliated with the group

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Obama did say we cling to our guns and religion here... I guess he is right.

Might take some flak for this, but i'm truly ashamed of my countrymen for who they elected president yesterday. The Presidency of the United States was turned into a popularity contest by the media and celebrities and naive Americans took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

95five-oh said:

Might take some flak for this, but i'm truly ashamed of my countrymen for who they elected president yesterday. The Presidency of the United States was turned into a popularity contest by the media and celebrities and naive Americans took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

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I agree. I must have been at work when they were handing out the koolaid that the rest of America seems to have had a drink of.

While Obama's stance on gun-control is admittedly not ideal (I'm a gun owner with a CC in VA), he is hardly the anti-gun nut some make him out to be (such as the highly partisan NRA). He even said (of the Heller decision), that he believes the 2nd amendment DOES confer and INDIVIDUAL right to bear arms- MUCH better than you'll get from most democrats and any other recent democratic presidential nominee.

But having said all that, I hardly think that is the most important thing to consider in this election. With our respect throughout the world waning, our gross violations of civil liberties at home, our tumbling economy, the banking crisis, and the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan, among many others there are much larger issues that should take precedence in the collective mind of Americans. I think the result of this election bears this out.

95five-oh said:

Might take some flak for this, but i'm truly ashamed of my countrymen for who they elected president yesterday. The Presidency of the United States was turned into a popularity contest by the media and celebrities and naive Americans took the bait hook, line, and sinker.

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Reasonable people can disagree reasonably about Obama and McCain's policies without marginalizing the political views of the 62.7+ million Americans who voted for Obama yesterday (and in the previous weeks) and our new President Elect. This kind of negativity and fear mongering is a large part of why the Republicans lost this election so handedly. Americans are scared right now- concerned about where this country is headed, and they screamed that yesterday at the polls- they want solutions not anger.

Relax man, the country is going to be fine, Obama is a Constitutional law professor and has surrounded himself with the best and the brightest this Country has to offer. A lot of people said America was doomed when we elected Clinton the first time, and that turned out just fine.

mhespenh said:

This kind of negativity and fear mongering is a large part of why the Republicans lost this election so handedly. Americans are scared right now- concerned about where this country is headed, and they screamed that yesterday at the polls- they want solutions not anger.

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We lost this election because leftist media destroyed the presidency of GW Bush, relentlessly tied McCain to those "failed" policies, then force fed the entire thing down our throats alongside dazzling reviews, editorials, and endorsements of Barack Hussein Obama. People were duped, plain and simple. You can put any kind of spin on it you want, you can accuse Republicans of racism or fear mongering or whatever you choose. But at the end of the day we'll be the ones saying "i told you so" when that clown flushes the values and traditions of this country down the toilet.

95five-oh said:

We lost this election because leftist media destroyed the presidency of GW Bush, relentlessly tied McCain to those "failed" policies, then force fed the entire thing down our throats alongside dazzling reviews, editorials, and endorsements of Barack Hussein Obama. People were duped, plain and simple. You can put any kind of spin on it you want, you can accuse Republicans of racism or fear mongering or whatever you choose. But at the end of the day we'll be the ones saying "i told you so" when that clown flushes the values and traditions of this country down the toilet.

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Yikes...

Okay, well I guess there isn't much of a point to continuing this discussion, I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

Soooo how bout them 'stangs? I hear they're pretty sweet rides :SNSign:

mhespenh said:

Yikes...

Okay, well I guess there isn't much of a point to continuing this discussion, I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

Soooo how bout them 'stangs? I hear they're pretty sweet rides :SNSign:

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well put. this thread should be closed before it starts to get dumb and ugly......

I am sick of people blaming Bush for what he has/hasn't done, being a Republican held in check by a Democratic led Legislative branch. Some, not all, of what Obama talks about and wants to do is way too close to Socialism for me. I hope things don't get too ugly...

On a lighter side, atleast Ralph Nader didn't get in; then we would all be driving 55.

Looks like I'm the wierd one here being a minarchist/libertarian (I really hate how that sounds like a religion). Civil liberties are the number one most important issue with me and both candidates didn't give me a very fuzzy feeling that my civil liberties will be protected.

94GTLaserRC said:

MY likes with McCain is that he has proven himself as someone who loves his country and has sacrifced, and he has definitely EARNED the right to be our president...for at least one term anyway.
THANKS
RC

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i dont mean to argue, but i just wanted clarification on this statement. Are you saying that anyone who goes to war, is a prisoner of war, and comes back to talk about it is "earning" the right to be president of the United States? I guess the last step that excludes millions of Vets is being a senator/political figure after serving?

I dont think anyone can knock McCain for his efforts and actions put forth during his war times(he is a hero in that sense), but i dont view that as being a significant step towards the white house.

Honestly, everyone can tear down both McCain and Obama all day long. All the attacks in the world couldnt stop what was going to happen. They tried to tear him down throughout the whole campaign...and he still won. The Dem's coulda put up Barney against McCain and they still would have won. Its funny to hear people excuse Bush and blame Clinton. You mean to tell me this was the best Bush could do in 8 years with what Clinton left? Give me a break. I've heard so much negative crap about Obama it makes me sick. He picked freakin Sarah Palin as a running mate for crying out loud. The race, in my opinion, would have been MUCH tighter if he had a decent VP running mate. Regardless of the media, Obama's crew ran a much better campaign than McCains....IMHO.


Regardless, Obama won. Fair and square. STFU with your bitchin, whining, and early doubts and support your damn country, your president, and move forward with the best attitude possible. In 4 years we'll see how things turn out, then talk your **** if you want to. But will things be worse than they are now? Eh, i doubt it! And with that said at this point none of you can say **** about Obama.

For those who may feel like their vote doesn't matter, check this out:

In my house district (VA-5) with 100% reporting:
Perriello - 157,456 - 50.0049%
Goode - 157,425 - 49.9951%

That is a difference of 31 votes. Out of 314,881.

That is 0.0098% of the vote.

That is less than one one-hundredth of one percent of the vote. Grab a pizza, take one percent of it, cut that slice into ten pieces and keep one of them, then cut THAT into ten pieces and throw nine out- what's left is slightly more than 0.0098% of the pizza.

VOTE!