Ok gents so I am still thinking about doing the 331 for the other car, the 95 GT/Saleen and seriously considering getting it built in TX and shipped. I know what I've read over the years and what some of you have said about using 302 parts on a stroker, ect. but the research has shown that you can get and make plenty of power for a nice street car that will not see the track and be mostly a weekend driver (one of 3 and potentially as many as 5 cars since I still want a fox or 2) 
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I have talked to him a good bit about matching a combo and I'm going to follow his lead but I'm asking you guys here on your opinions between 3 intakes that I'm thinking about. I want to point out as well that he builds dirt cars but has build a lot of other stuff as well but I think from talking to him over the years that he hasn't done a lot of fuel injected mustangs but many carbed ones. I'm not sure how many combos he's had to put together F.I. wise but know for what we've talked about he's mentioned long runner intakes vs short runners and how they affect things. Just did a quick google search anyway and it seems that the long runner intakes are nice for the street and down low where the short runners are more mid to upper. When I called Edelbrock to inquire about the performer 2 they couldn't tell me nor was there really any info online on rather it's a long or short runner intake. I do run that intake and have for years on my 302 combo.
For the 331 I intend to use a 75 mm opening intake in either another performer 2, a TFS R (not box), or even a Holley efi 8.2 deck. I'm not that familiar with the holley and not sure if it's as tall of an intake as the ones for a 351 and I definitely don't want to go too crazy with needing that high of a cowl hood either. I believe years ago researching the rpm 2 vs the Tfs R I think the rpm 2 was around an inch or so lower in height IIRC.
As for the specs the rpm 2's range is from 1500-6500 rpm and the Tfs R is 2500-7250 and actuall it appears from looking at the holleys, the smallest opening they offer is maybe a 92 lol so I know that's out of the range that I'll need for my combo. I will say also that it seems that the performer will be a better all around intake for my application as far as matching the intended use.
Actually thinking about running a Brodix 17 degree 165 cc head with 1.94 and 1.54 valves, he'll grind a custom cam for the setup, 70 tb, 75 or 80 maf, 36 or 42 lb injectors, and probably 1 5/8 LT's. I think I'll be really happy with around 350 rwhp if I get there. If I get to around 330 I believe for how I'll drive the car and what I'll be doing, I'll be happy as well :LOL:.
After all I've been around 300 rwhp for a long long time with my current 302 mostly over 100k miles when I first did the combo back in 05 but really the car hasn't run it's best till around 2014 with another tune.
that was only 8k miles ago as the car got hit in 2015 and sat til 2019 when I took it apart. I put the engine in my 94 Cobra in 2021 and went to LT's, 3.73's, X, and a pypes bomb free flowing catback vs shorties and the flowmasters with an X.
Texting him a minute ago he said the Brodix 17 degree will murder that AFR. He said to do a 1 1/2 inch pimary and a 42 lb 4 hole is too big. He'll buy the heads bare as well.
I replied that I'll research the 1 1/2s as I haven't seen or heard of anyone running those and I didn't think it would make that much difference lol.
He replied " The
it isn't. You guys don't understand gas speed. Yall think it's all about flow cfm numbers, No it's ing not. The engine cares about 5x more for gas speed than cfm in the exhaust port and it cares 10x more about air speed in the intake port than it does raw cfm numbers the port can flow. Without port velocity, cfm is meaningless to the engine. The smaller the pipe you can make power with, the harder the engine will accelerate and the more driveable it will be because it will make more torque where you drive. When we are dealing with sub 550 hp engines and especially sub 450 hp engines, this is exactly why I can replace a 1.600 diameter ex valve with a 1.500, and regardless of the flow number change on the flow bench, the engine gains tq and hp every single time. Along with that the customer always comments how much more drivable the car is, even when all we changed was simply the new ex valve seat and smaller ex valve. "
There's more but too much to type lol I might add it later when i reply from the phone and can speak to text lmfao. But all in all just wanted to know you guys opinion on the intake but I'd think the rpm 2 would suit best overall given the overall combo and matching.
. I have talked to him a good bit about matching a combo and I'm going to follow his lead but I'm asking you guys here on your opinions between 3 intakes that I'm thinking about. I want to point out as well that he builds dirt cars but has build a lot of other stuff as well but I think from talking to him over the years that he hasn't done a lot of fuel injected mustangs but many carbed ones. I'm not sure how many combos he's had to put together F.I. wise but know for what we've talked about he's mentioned long runner intakes vs short runners and how they affect things. Just did a quick google search anyway and it seems that the long runner intakes are nice for the street and down low where the short runners are more mid to upper. When I called Edelbrock to inquire about the performer 2 they couldn't tell me nor was there really any info online on rather it's a long or short runner intake. I do run that intake and have for years on my 302 combo.
For the 331 I intend to use a 75 mm opening intake in either another performer 2, a TFS R (not box), or even a Holley efi 8.2 deck. I'm not that familiar with the holley and not sure if it's as tall of an intake as the ones for a 351 and I definitely don't want to go too crazy with needing that high of a cowl hood either. I believe years ago researching the rpm 2 vs the Tfs R I think the rpm 2 was around an inch or so lower in height IIRC.
As for the specs the rpm 2's range is from 1500-6500 rpm and the Tfs R is 2500-7250 and actuall it appears from looking at the holleys, the smallest opening they offer is maybe a 92 lol so I know that's out of the range that I'll need for my combo. I will say also that it seems that the performer will be a better all around intake for my application as far as matching the intended use.
Actually thinking about running a Brodix 17 degree 165 cc head with 1.94 and 1.54 valves, he'll grind a custom cam for the setup, 70 tb, 75 or 80 maf, 36 or 42 lb injectors, and probably 1 5/8 LT's. I think I'll be really happy with around 350 rwhp if I get there. If I get to around 330 I believe for how I'll drive the car and what I'll be doing, I'll be happy as well :LOL:.
After all I've been around 300 rwhp for a long long time with my current 302 mostly over 100k miles when I first did the combo back in 05 but really the car hasn't run it's best till around 2014 with another tune.
that was only 8k miles ago as the car got hit in 2015 and sat til 2019 when I took it apart. I put the engine in my 94 Cobra in 2021 and went to LT's, 3.73's, X, and a pypes bomb free flowing catback vs shorties and the flowmasters with an X. Texting him a minute ago he said the Brodix 17 degree will murder that AFR. He said to do a 1 1/2 inch pimary and a 42 lb 4 hole is too big. He'll buy the heads bare as well.
I replied that I'll research the 1 1/2s as I haven't seen or heard of anyone running those and I didn't think it would make that much difference lol.
He replied " The
it isn't. You guys don't understand gas speed. Yall think it's all about flow cfm numbers, No it's ing not. The engine cares about 5x more for gas speed than cfm in the exhaust port and it cares 10x more about air speed in the intake port than it does raw cfm numbers the port can flow. Without port velocity, cfm is meaningless to the engine. The smaller the pipe you can make power with, the harder the engine will accelerate and the more driveable it will be because it will make more torque where you drive. When we are dealing with sub 550 hp engines and especially sub 450 hp engines, this is exactly why I can replace a 1.600 diameter ex valve with a 1.500, and regardless of the flow number change on the flow bench, the engine gains tq and hp every single time. Along with that the customer always comments how much more drivable the car is, even when all we changed was simply the new ex valve seat and smaller ex valve. "There's more but too much to type lol I might add it later when i reply from the phone and can speak to text lmfao. But all in all just wanted to know you guys opinion on the intake but I'd think the rpm 2 would suit best overall given the overall combo and matching.
