Exhaust question with Panhard Bar

kalvick

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I am debating buying the MM Panhard Bar to install on my Stang. The instructions say it will not install without modification to the exhaust, if you do not have a stock setup.

I have a Magnaflow catback, it routed the same way as the stock exhaust plumbing. the only thing that is different is that the pipes are slightly bigger.

What exactly needs to be modified in my exhaust to install this correctly? I cant seem to figure that out.

 

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Go to MM's website and look close. There is 1 aftermarket exhaust they list that will clear the panhard rod kit. Be sure it's not yours.

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i think its flowmaster tail pipes that will clear the panhard bar

 

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but this doesn't answer the question, what is different about 3rd party catback plumbing that may require exhaust work to be done before installing the panhard bar?

 

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Exhaust Clearance

The MM Panhard Bar is designed to clear the original factory exhaust. Dynomax tailpipes and Flowmaster tailpipes made after the year 2000 follow the factory routing and usually fit with no modifications. Aftermarket tailpipes may have an interference problem if they do not follow the original Ford exhaust routing. Interference may be caused by the design of the tailpipes or by the particular installation of the tailpipes.

Usually, any interference is the result of the tailpipes dropping down too closely to the back side of the rear-axle after they’ve gone over the axle. Sometimes this can be fixed by cutting the tailpipe at the muffler exit and rotating the tailpipe slightly. In other cases, the solution is to cut the tailpipe at the very top of the upside-down ‘U’ where it goes over the rear-axle and splice in a short piece of tubing. That will move the tailpipe away from the back side of the axle and towards the rear of the car. Check for clearance to the fuel tank. You will need to reposition the rear exhaust hanger and may need to trim the end of the tailpipe.

 

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I just unbolted my Bassani exhaust after the muffler exit. Sounded like sex, although the exhaust half-moon holes in the bumper weren't visually appealing.

 

Night Shifter

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id just buy the bar and see how it fits with your exhaust... then if needed maybe an exhaust shop will be able to get your pipes to work around it...

the panhard bar will be well worth the trouble

 

kalvick

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can anyone with a panhard bar post pics?

 

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just curious what does a panhard bar do for your car? sorry for the newb post...

 

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04gtdrop said:

just curious what does a panhard bar do for your car? sorry for the newb post...

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Late Model Mustang Suspension Basics

 

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Best handling mod I've done to it. These should have been OE on all '79 thru '04 mustangs. Period.

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GDTrumbo said:

Best handling mod I've done to it. These should have been OE on all '79 thru '04 mustangs. Period.

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Yea, theory that was posted above is making me think long and hard about the Panhard bar.
Was the Panhard bar difficult to install and can you install in you back yard or a similar place?

 

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I've been meaning to get me one of these... ideally, I'd love to have the same set up as Epik (full MM suspension, coil overs, TA, panhard bar, tubular k member )

 

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trombonedemon said:

Yea, theory that was posted above is making me think long and hard about the Panhard bar.
Was the Panhard bar difficult to install and can you install in you back yard or a similar place?

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I did mine on a rack, but you could do it in the driveway for sure. Might actually be easier to bench press the phb than hold it overhead while drilling the mounting holes in the subframe, but the look on my son's face while he was holding up the bar while I drilled the holes was priceless.....

T/A & PHB.....best suspension mod I've ever done on the 98. Seriously forget it's a mustang sometimes and not my old vette

 

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mvk131 said:

I did mine on a rack, but you could do it in the driveway for sure. Might actually be easier to bench press the phb than hold it overhead while drilling the mounting holes in the subframe, but the look on my son's face while he was holding up the bar while I drilled the holes was priceless.....

T/A & PHB.....best suspension mod I've ever done on the 98. Seriously forget it's a mustang sometimes and not my old vette

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So is it possible to have full length subframes and a panhard bar, or you would just have to settle for one or the other?

 

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i do believe its possible to have both

 

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The full length subframe connectors and the panhard bar have nothing to do with each other.

The FLSCs connect the front and rear frame rails together and to the front seat mounts. This is to increase the rigidity of the chassis.

The PHB is installed to keep the rear axle from moving side to side under the chassis when cornering forces are applied. It mounts to the frame rail behind the axle on the right side and to the axle housing on the left side of the car.

Here is a fairly good photo of the PHB installed. You can't see where the PHB connects to the axle on the left side.

http://image.automotive.com/f/techa...w_to_install_an_adjustable_rear_sway_bar+.jpg

 

Night Shifter

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damn thats a sexy set up

 

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trombonedemon said:

Yea, theory that was posted above is making me think long and hard about the Panhard bar.
Was the Panhard bar difficult to install and can you install in you back yard or a similar place?

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I installed mine in my garage all on my lonesome. Every required dimension...."dead nuts". Took me 11.5 hrs. at a moderate pace.

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Maximum Motorsports Panhard Bar install with pics. Multiple threads inside. - Corral.net : Ford Mustang Forums

Tail pipes and a MM PHB... - Corral.net : Ford Mustang Forums


Good info over there if you search panhard bar in the auto-x section.