And the funny thing is that the places where Bush got most votes is where the odds of a terrorist attack are less likely, and NY and other major metropolitan places didnt care for Bush and thats where attacks are prone! What that means is; and I quote "Americans that live in more rural areas are paranoid or just simply oblivious" (Some 3 star Army General, dont remember his name)Rootus said:His morals? On what basis is there any argument that he has more (or less) moral integrity than John Kerry?
Oddly enough, the only people on the entire planet that believe Bush to posess high moral standards are about half of this country. The other half, along with the vast majority of the free world, believe just the opposite.
What seems to me to be the paramount emotion felt today by Americans is fear. For those who oppose Bush and his policies, the fear is primarily of him. For those who support Bush, the fear is from terrorism and Saddam.
(and I'm pretty close to you in age, Eric, so no using that as an argument against me).
Dave
If you look at the CNN map-by-county (posted early in this very thread), it's clear that Bush got all of the cow & sheep vote.Darkness said:What that means is; and I quote "Americans that live in more rural areas are paranoid or just simply oblivious" (Some 3 star Army General, dont remember his name)
MTMMAN said:If you want to talk about IQ's you should look at some of the information about both Bush & Kerry's IQ's! Studies have shown the Presidents with the highest IQ's have been the most flawed. ie Nixon(considered to be a political genius & the most flawed), Carter.
http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1257279/posts
And you thought Bush is a dunce (Bush outshines Kerry)
TIMES NEWS NETWORK ^ | October 24, 2004 | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA
Posted on 10/26/2004 6:40:13 AM PDT by stockpirate
Washington: President Bush is not a bozo; in fact, he may be a near-brainiac.
An American researcher has challenged popular belief and water cooler jokes about Bush's cerebral limitations by arguing - on the basis of available records - that he is not only smart but has a higher IQ than his rival John Kerry.
Based on various academic and military school records including his SAT score (1206), conservative columnist Steve Sailer has calculated that Bush's IQ is between 125 and 130.
That would put him in the "very superior intelligence" category and in the 95th percentile, which means only one out of 20 people would score higher.
In comparison, similar (but not same) records and tests suggest John Kerry's IQ is only around 120, says Sailer in a commentary on the conservative blog www.vdare.com.
Sailer looked at school records and tests both men took when there were enrolling into the US military at age 22 and extrapolated the results to arrive his conclusion
They provide no evidence that Kerry is smarter. If anything, Bush is smarter than Kerry," he concluded.
Popular folklore though has it that Bush is the dumbest American president in history, and one urban legend placed his IQ at a sub-normal 91. A former political rival famously described him as being "born with a silver foot in his mouth."
Sailer rubbishes such reports, pointing out that Bush has two Ivy League degrees (although he got a C average at Yale), while Kerry not only did not graduate with honors from Yale, but went on to do law at the rather more modest Boston College.
Sailor also suggests that Kerry, who was two years Bush's senior at Yale, got in when admission was less meritocratic.
Yale tightened up entrance requirements later, he says, revealing that the "sudden arrival of so many brainy, bookish, leftwing nobodies may be a major reason Bush became so alienated from Yale during his later years there."
Alma Mater to Kerry and Bush both, Yale University, incidentally, is named after Elihu Yale, an English merchant who was the East India Company's Governor of Madras in 1687 when he was tapped for funds to start the university.
Sailer describes the difference between Bush and Kerry in two words: Bush is competitive and Kerry is ambitious.
Bush, by nature and by upbringing in the hyper-rivalrous Bush-Walker clan, is driven by a need to win. For Kerry, in contrast, being President is the end, the goal of the last 45 years of his life.
Sailer however acknowledges that Kerry would probably beat Bush on a current events quiz, "since Bush has never seemed particularly interested in learning about the duties of his job (as opposed to winning and keeping his job, at which he shows great cunning)."
In contrast, "Kerry has been fascinated by the Presidency since his adolescence."
Republican blogs rejoiced at the word of the US President's high IQ, although some conservative quarters are happy to let Kerry bask in the glory of being an intellectual.
"The only election Bush ever lost was a 1978 Congressional race in the Texas Panhandle, where his opponent made fun of Bush for having degrees from Yale and Harvard," writes Sailer.
"Bush resolved never to get out-dumbed again."
jordanvraptor said:Probably Teresa Heinz Kerry....
After seeing what Kerry did when he came home from Viet Nam in throwing our soldiers under the bus to the senate so he could score points with the likes of Jane Fonda there was no way in hell he would ever get my vote. The left needs to realize the 60s are over. America does not want another Clinton in the white house. Notice how quet terrorists where when Reagan/ Bush senior where in office? Then Clinton took his eye off the ball for 8 years and bam 9-11 happens. The recession and the war on terror are Clintons legacy to America, I dont see Kerry as the one to clean it up.
DrkGreenStang said:This is why Washington needs to be two different states, with the Cascades as the divide. I voted Bush. So did 65% of my county.
Darkness said:And the funny thing is that the places where Bush got most votes is where the odds of a terrorist attack are less likely, and NY and other major metropolitan places didnt care for Bush and thats where attacks are prone! What that means is; and I quote "Americans that live in more rural areas are paranoid or just simply oblivious" (Some 3 star Army General, dont remember his name)
He said county.Visceral said:Um... no... 51% voted for Bush.
And funny enough, more people voted against Bush than have voted against any candidate in history.
Funny how you're quick at pointing fingers to Clinton when he was the one that raised the economy from an almost 12 year depression!!! Yeah, you didnt mention either what 12 years of Regan/Bush sr did to all our unions/sindicates!!! Yes do you know what they WERE??? It gave workers work stability and some dignity, employers couldnt threaten you just like that.MTMMAN said:
We're reaping the fruits of Clinton's mistakes and lake of conviction. Clinton ran the country on public opinion polls, swaying with the wind. Shoot some cruise missiles at the problem and it will go away. We can't send tanks and armor to Somalia, we would look like invaders. What was the first thing Kerry did when the Osma tape came out. Take a poll. We would have had a return to the same thinking as Clinton. Being the President, some times Bush must make choices that are hard or unpopular. I trust him to do what he feels is best for our country regardless of what isolationists, the liberal media and tree huggers start screaming about. Its a hard job! He has to make choices that are hard and people may die. But I trust him to do what is best for our nation.
People like Clinton and Kerry dishonor the Americans that gave their life for freedom. People died so Kerry could have the freedom to throw his medals away and disrespect his fellow swift boat brothers. His whole purpose of serving in the Navy was to help in his political aspirations.
Not serve his country, protect America and help bring freedom to others around the world. He has the right to believe what ever he wants, we live in a free nation. I just don't think he represents true American values and beliefs. His goals are self centered! They revolve around how he could become President. Like Clinton he wants to be JFK.
I am thankful that we have the freedom we do. Many Americans died so that we can have conversation like this. I feel every one should have the right no matter what country they live in to decide for themselves. Not be told what to do with the barrel of a gun to the back of their heads. Hiding our heads in the sand, and being scared to take a stand will never solve problems. Every one that thinks its not our problem should have to live in a third world country for a year. With out the things we take for granted your opinions might change very quick.
ChrisWeil said:To blame the recession and 9/11 on Clinton is just as dumb as blaming it on Bush. Presidents get pegged with whatever happened during their presidency that their constituents see as positive and their opposition see as negative. Liberals will give Clinton the nod for leading the country in the most prosperous decade any country has ever seen in the history of humanity, while conservatives will blame him for the recession in his last year in office. He had little to do with the rise and (sort of) fall of the tech stocks that were boosting the economy. While I don't personally agree with the way Bush is handling the country/government's money, he isn't and shouldn't be heralded/heckled for the economy during his term, either, because he also has very little to do with the overall economy. Some choices definitely effect it, especially long term, but not as much short term.
Ask any economist; presidents always get "awarded" with praise for however the economy did during their term (more than anything how it was at the END of their term, which people remember most), yet overall they are a much smaller factor in determining it's course and rate of change.
Exactly, this hatred has been going on for a long time, ever since we started supporting a certain not so popular country in the M.E.ChrisWeil said:I don't think a different president would've prevented it...damage had been long done, before Clinton was in office.
Under a different President I think the fight would have been taken to Osma before 9/11. I don't think Reagan was the world's best President. Hey had flaws like any person does. I do think people knew not to f**k around with the US when he was in office.ChrisWeil said:Yeah, he lucked into it, and Bush "lucked" into a poorer one. Neither were/provided the cause nor solution, but are stigmatized with it because the are the president. Shouldn't be praised for the good nor blamed for the bad, because they directly have a very minute effect on it.
9/11 wasn't Clinton's fault, nor Bush's. Blame can be spread everywhere, but it would've happened with any presidency. I don't think a different president would've prevented it...damage had been long done, before Clinton was in office.
Does your coment have to do with Jews? Are you speaking of Israel?Darkness said:Exactly, this hatred has been going on for a long time, ever since we started supporting a certain not so popular country in the M.E.
MTMMAN said:Clinton lucked into a economic boom that was also on a down turn before he even left office. Bush was handed a economy going in the hole. The dot coms went bust. We were hurting with Clinton in office. Clinton didn't raise any thing. He just lucked out.
Then his policies or lack there of set us up for 9/11.
I won't argue about the domestic policies of the Reagan/Bush Sr era. I think workers rights have come a long way.
SVTdriver said:I suppose Clinton lucked into a balanced budget as well. Not a trillion dollars in the red.
And as far as 9/11 is concerned. Did Bush manage to catch the real target of the war on terrorism? No I believe he is still holing up in a cave somewhere laughing and threatening us. But we did get a guy with no real army, no real link to Al queda, and no WMD's (Though we were told he had them).
I had no like for either candidate. But since Bush didn't seem to make much of an impression on education. Though he again promised to make it better. And he didn't work to unite people. Though he has promised to do it again. I can say I was less for Bush than for Kerry. Though I thought mickey mouse would have been a better choice than those 2.
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