Fuel Fuel injector leaking from fuel rail

SmokeytheFox

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Last night while I was doing a final check for leaks before the first start on the new engine I notice that cylinder #1 injector is leaking from the fuel rail. I put a new o-ring on it and it’s still leaking. I also noticed that the fuel rail hat sits slightly more tilted on this injector compared to the others. I tried adjusting it but it’s refusing to sit flush with the rail like the other ones. I’m kinda lost on what to do. There wasn’t any leaks when I pulled the engine out a few months ago. Any suggestions would be appreciated
 

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Do you have the 2 screws that hold the fuel rail in position installed?
Ae there any dents or damage to the fuel injector rail cap for the fuel injector? Any scratches or nicks in the injector cup? Are the pintle cap, O ring that seals the injector, and washer that goes between the injector body and O ring present and in good condition? Some Teflon pipe dope available from Home Depot or Lowes are the best choices to seal the injector to the lower intake manifold.
 
Do you have the 2 screws that hold the fuel rail in position installed?
Ae there any dents or damage to the fuel injector rail cap for the fuel injector? Any scratches or nicks in the injector cup? Are the pintle cap, O ring that seals the injector, and washer that goes between the injector body and O ring present and in good condition? Some Teflon pipe dope available from Home Depot or Lowes are the best choices to seal the injector to the lower intake manifold.
Yea the screws that hold the fuel rail is installed tight. The o rings and pintle cap is in good shape. I oiled it when I put the injector back in. The rail cap didn’t look damage as far as I can tell
 
That orientation doesn’t look correct. It’s not sitting correctly. Is the rail bent?

I do not recommend starting the car until you fix this. The rain needs to sit evenly on the injector. Running it with it cocked could leak to a failure down the road that might cause a fire
 
SmokeyTheFox,
The rail is not all the way down on that injector
I doubt the rail is bent unless a gorilla pulled it off
Use some engine oil on the o rings and try reinstalling the rail again starting with that problem injector first
 
Last night while I was doing a final check for leaks before the first start on the new engine I notice that cylinder #1 injector is leaking from the fuel rail. I put a new o-ring on it and it’s still leaking. I also noticed that the fuel rail hat sits slightly more tilted on this injector compared to the others. I tried adjusting it but it’s refusing to sit flush with the rail like the other ones. I’m kinda lost on what to do. There wasn’t any leaks when I pulled the engine out a few months ago. Any suggestions would be appreciated
Did you ever fix this?? I have same issue. almost caused a fire. My rail doesn't set down as flush as the driver side does. I replaced intake manifold with a cheaper replacement to fix the thermo housing leak. I notice when I tighten the two screws the rail lifts up and pulls away from injectors slightly. Thinking about bending my tabs on the rail to fix, but I'm apprehensive about that.
 
Did you ever fix this?? I have same issue. almost caused a fire. My rail doesn't set down as flush as the driver side does. I replaced intake manifold with a cheaper replacement to fix the thermo housing leak. I notice when I tighten the two screws the rail lifts up and pulls away from injectors slightly. Thinking about bending my tabs on the rail to fix, but I'm apprehensive about that.
This thread is a couple years old but no big deal, let me help you here, did you lube the O rings before assembly? Also sometimes the holes in the intake and the fuel rail gets junk in them, make sure they are clean, lube the O rings and try again, the tabs are slotted on my stock rails so you can push down on them a little when tightening, it is possible the tabs got a little tweeked but try my suggestion first before bending anything.
 
This thread is a couple years old but no big deal, let me help you here, did you lube the O rings before assembly? Also sometimes the holes in the intake and the fuel rail gets junk in them, make sure they are clean, lube the O rings and try again, the tabs are slotted on my stock rails so you can push down on them a little when tightening, it is possible the tabs got a little tweeked but try my suggestion first before bending anything.
having this issue right now on my 94 after my Vortech V3 install. So basically installed a V3 and went from 24's to Deatschwerks 60's and from a 75 Pro M to a 90 mm Sct ba 2600 and a 4 boostmaster pipe along with a 255. I took the heater bypass tube off and are running hoses instead. When I fired the car up yesterday for the first time it fired right up each time but I had to play with the throttle some to keep it running but after cutting it off and looking over some things and starting it back up, it later settled in with staying running but it sounded like the timing was off. I did not mess with the base timing that was set for my NA setup which had an Sct chip dyno tune. I sent the chip to the tuner for him to make a startup tune based on the changes and I would later take the car to see how much power it's making and any tweaks if need be.at l

I noticed the volt gauge was jumping from 14 something and fluctuating so I wanted to check the alternator and all wiring to it. I did break the little small wire when taking the alternator loose so I glued it back and when I put it back on it was nice and snug and didn't want to come off as in not holding fine. I pulled on it and stuff and it seems fine. I also when fastening the 10mm nut I has a slight arc from hitting the wrench hitting something but the alt fuse didn't pop. It's crazy because I had the negative cable loose off but forgot I had it just sitting on the battery for when I trickle charge the car at night. I did find that the 7/16 bolts on the terminals, the one that goes to the Alt could've been a little tighter. Actually when I first went to start the car it just clicked. I was like I know the battery should be fine because it trickle charged for almost 2 months every day. Anyway I tightened the posi post a little more and the car fired up. It was late last night after researching some stuff I decided to go back out and try a few things with the Alt and that looked find and so looking at the Alt wire going to the posi terminal I didn't like the angle so I changed it and made it straight, tightened back down and started the car and it fired up and idled fine and the volts was not jumping. I was like cool that's what it was so I felt confident this morning I'd be good to go.

Well started the car this morning and it actually continued where I left last night for the first probably 5 minuts then I heard the idle change and after another 3 minutes the volts moved some but not as much as it was yesterday when moving maybe from 14 to 13 something or 12.5. The last thing I did tonight was check the volts at the battery with car off and it was about 13 and when I fired up the car it was 14 something and turned on the headlights and radio and it was still at 14 something so that is crazy. I am going to check the 1 alt wire going to one bolt on the posi terminal and see where it's going because I did the big 3 upgrade when the engine was in the last car. I can't remember exactly where that wire is going. I gotta look back and see where they go.

So back to the point of this thread, earlier today while diagnosing I was in the car with it running and heard hissing. I went and looked and saw fuel coming out at the number 5 injector so shut it off and when I looked I could see the blue oring of the injector so I knew it wasn't seated all the way. I know it was seated when I swapped the injectors though and so I took the intake off and inspected them all and put it back together. It kinda looked like the fuel rail for the no. 5 might've been in a comprimising angle kind of but not drastic and I would've think if it was not right it would've leaked right away. I will remove the intake again and remove them all and start with the no. 5 first. I think also looks like I might need to pull the line between the rails that runs behind the dizzy, might need to pull it more to the driver's side some and it shouldn't be wedged to where it can't move some.

Now I got to research the big 3 Alt wire upgrade because I will defintely make sure that posi wire wherever it's going is nice and tight. It's just crazy though.......

update-

just went and look and actually that posi wire isn't from the big 3 wire upgrade it's the wire I'm assuming that goes to the starter correct? The big black ground and the big posi that's in a loom together it appears that those go to the starter. Based on what I said earlier I'm going to see if the volts are still doing what it was as to fine then starts moving some. I gotta figure it out also to eliminate the startup tune being an issue as to when I attempted to drive it yesterday it didn't have any power really but i'd think it seems to be more of an electronic issue to where just not getting full power or something constantly.........

Also forgot to add another thing I noticed was the car was taking a long time to warm up and come to find out I had the heater hoses at the heater core going to the wrong side. Even after I switched them today it was still taking an extremely long time to warm up so prior it's crazy because I did not have any of these issues prior to the supercharger install. Like I said I did away with the heater bypass too and so I have an adapter that accepts a hose barb for the hose and up top of the adapter the ECT sensor screws into it so it can't be a situation where the sensor has to be in the horizontal position like stock versus straight up because the adapter allows coolant to still reach the sensor.....
 
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having this issue right now on my 94 after my Vortech V3 install. So basically installed a V3 and went from 24's to Deatschwerks 60's and from a 75 Pro M to a 90 mm Sct ba 2600 and a 4 boostmaster pipe along with a 255. I took the heater bypass tube off and are running hoses instead. When I fired the car up yesterday for the first time it fired right up each time but I had to play with the throttle some to keep it running but after cutting it off and looking over some things and starting it back up, it later settled in with staying running but it sounded like the timing was off. I did not mess with the base timing that was set for my NA setup which had an Sct chip dyno tune. I sent the chip to the tuner for him to make a startup tune based on the changes and I would later take the car to see how much power it's making and any tweaks if need be.at l

I noticed the volt gauge was jumping from 14 something and fluctuating so I wanted to check the alternator and all wiring to it. I did break the little small wire when taking the alternator loose so I glued it back and when I put it back on it was nice and snug and didn't want to come off as in not holding fine. I pulled on it and stuff and it seems fine. I also when fastening the 10mm nut I has a slight arc from hitting the wrench hitting something but the alt fuse didn't pop. It's crazy because I had the negative cable loose off but forgot I had it just sitting on the battery for when I trickle charge the car at night. I did find that the 7/16 bolts on the terminals, the one that goes to the Alt could've been a little tighter. Actually when I first went to start the car it just clicked. I was like I know the battery should be fine because it trickle charged for almost 2 months every day. Anyway I tightened the posi post a little more and the car fired up. It was late last night after researching some stuff I decided to go back out and try a few things with the Alt and that looked find and so looking at the Alt wire going to the posi terminal I didn't like the angle so I changed it and made it straight, tightened back down and started the car and it fired up and idled fine and the volts was not jumping. I was like cool that's what it was so I felt confident this morning I'd be good to go.

Well started the car this morning and it actually continued where I left last night for the first probably 5 minuts then I heard the idle change and after another 3 minutes the volts moved some but not as much as it was yesterday when moving maybe from 14 to 13 something or 12.5. The last thing I did tonight was check the volts at the battery with car off and it was about 13 and when I fired up the car it was 14 something and turned on the headlights and radio and it was still at 14 something so that is crazy. I am going to check the 1 alt wire going to one bolt on the posi terminal and see where it's going because I did the big 3 upgrade when the engine was in the last car. I can't remember exactly where that wire is going. I gotta look back and see where they go.

So back to the point of this thread, earlier today while diagnosing I was in the car with it running and heard hissing. I went and looked and saw fuel coming out at the number 5 injector so shut it off and when I looked I could see the blue oring of the injector so I knew it wasn't seated all the way. I know it was seated when I swapped the injectors though and so I took the intake off and inspected them all and put it back together. It kinda looked like the fuel rail for the no. 5 might've been in a comprimising angle kind of but not drastic and I would've think if it was not right it would've leaked right away. I will remove the intake again and remove them all and start with the no. 5 first. I think also looks like I might need to pull the line between the rails that runs behind the dizzy, might need to pull it more to the driver's side some and it shouldn't be wedged to where it can't move some.

Now I got to research the big 3 Alt wire upgrade because I will defintely make sure that posi wire wherever it's going is nice and tight. It's just crazy though.......

update-

just went and look and actually that posi wire isn't from the big 3 wire upgrade it's the wire I'm assuming that goes to the starter correct? The big black ground and the big posi that's in a loom together it appears that those go to the starter. Based on what I said earlier I'm going to see if the volts are still doing what it was as to fine then starts moving some. I gotta figure it out also to eliminate the startup tune being an issue as to when I attempted to drive it yesterday it didn't have any power really but i'd think it seems to be more of an electronic issue to where just not getting full power or something constantly.........

Also forgot to add another thing I noticed was the car was taking a long time to warm up and come to find out I had the heater hoses at the heater core going to the wrong side. Even after I switched them today it was still taking an extremely long time to warm up so prior it's crazy because I did not have any of these issues prior to the supercharger install. Like I said I did away with the heater bypass too and so I have an adapter that accepts a hose barb for the hose and up top of the adapter the ECT sensor screws into it so it can't be a situation where the sensor has to be in the horizontal position like stock versus straight up because the adapter allows coolant to still reach the sensor.....
Once you add forced air it gets beyond my knowledge, someone with a power adder experience will jump in..
Probably..
 
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Once you add forced air it gets beyond my knowledge, someone with a power adder experience will jump in..
Probably..
The crazy thing is it's just you know starting the car up and idling I haven't even gotten it to run yet or anything so right now I'm actually I'm going to I'm taking everything off and I'm going to inspect the injector real and you know should be able to see what's going on. But basically getting the getting that one injector to seat. I know I had a lot of other questions as well I guess that's probably what you're referring to overall in the grand scheme of things
 
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There is nothing special about forced air induction as far as the fuel system is concerned
One of your injector O-rings got a nick during the install
I'd have a couple of the old ones around for a repair when you get the rail off
** Trick is to twist those injectors around some while you seat the rail and use grease on the O-rings
 
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There is nothing special about forced air induction as far as the fuel system is concerned
One of your injector O-rings got a nick during the install
I'd have a couple of the old ones around for a repair when you get the rail off
** Trick is to twist those injectors around some while you seat the rail and use grease on the O-rings
Yeah I did Grease them actually maybe I need to just use a little more next time. Damn I don't think any of my o-rings from my 24s will fit the slimmer each work 60s will they?

I'm going to inspect them when I get them off and I might call them and see if they can send me a few, deatschwerks
 
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There is nothing special about forced air induction as far as the fuel system is concerned
One of your injector O-rings got a nick during the install
I'd have a couple of the old ones around for a repair when you get the rail off
** Trick is to twist those injectors around some while you seat the rail and use grease on the O-rings
Yeah also crazy that it did not leak initially if a if an o-ring was nicked during the install but I just called deatschwerks and actually Mark is a nice guy he he said it not it doesn't always leak right away if it got nicked but and he sent me he's going to send me some more rings free of charge as well so that's a good just in case
 
Dumb question, but you did bolt down the fuel rails properly?

Maybe that injector was in just slightly cockeyed the first go around. Have you since taken it out and reseated it and its still doing it?
 
Dumb question, but you did bolt down the fuel rails properly?

Maybe that injector was in just slightly cockeyed the first go around. Have you since taken it out and reseated it and its still doing it?
not sure if I've ever fastened them slightly evenly but that's somethign I'll start doing. It did not leak initially but I called Deatschwerks and they said if they got a nick somehow they don't always leak right away. I did grease them too but looking at that no. 5 it might have been fastened last and if I tightened down the other side all the way first it might have pulled the angle of that corner to that injector some. When I took the injector out and pulled on the rail there was no give. Got it off now and inspecting and they are sending me more O rings just for good measure. Even if it didn't have a nick I will probably just wait till they come and change that one and make sure I fasten down evenly. But I've never had an issue before over the years of putting in injectors lol
 
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Dumb question, but you did bolt down the fuel rails properly?

Maybe that injector was in just slightly cockeyed the first go around. Have you since taken it out and reseated it and its still doing it?
i took it out and reseated but I only loosened the other side of the fuel rail while the injectors on that side was still in place and it did leak again. 'This time I have all injectors out and will put no. 1 and 5 in first then get the rest in and make sure the middle of the rail behind the dizzy pulls evenly on both sides and it'll have to be seated properly.
 
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There is nothing special about forced air induction as far as the fuel system is concerned
One of your injector O-rings got a nick during the install
I'd have a couple of the old ones around for a repair when you get the rail off
** Trick is to twist those injectors around some while you seat the rail and use grease on the O-rings
I looked over the o-ring with a flashlight as well as a magnifying glass and I don't see any evidence of any Nick I mean I don't I really don't since I greased them I don't know how it could have gotten a nick but you know I might just change it anyway to be safe. It's possible that the that side of the fuel injector rail I might have tightened it the other side all the way even though all injectors were in the intake and maybe that put that number five injector at a weird little angle or something. So maybe even though it did not start leaking initially when I fired the car up maybe the pressure on the rail or something caused it to eventually start leaking.

I definitely will make sure both sides are good and even and fasten each boat a little bit at a time and make sure things are still even. But I've never had an issue in the past with any injectors leaking
 

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After looking over that o-ring on that injector very carefully with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I swapped the injector from that spot to number six and it's not the injector itself it's that spot in the fuel rail. But that's crazy because and I just changed from 24 to 60s with the supercharger install and I never had an issue with the fuel rail. So yeah that particular spot right there I don't know what happened but none of the other ones are leaking so I need to research and see what's going on and why all of a sudden started leaking at that spot.


I know it was fully seated because I removed them all re-lubed and made sure everything was good to go. So in that particular spot whenever it starts leaking when I go and look at the injector I can see part of the blue o-ring so for some reason I think it's kind of popping out a tad.
 
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Ooo one thing I had to do when I swapped my injectors was make sure the existing top O ring cam out of the fuel rail cap. Almost all of them stuck inside and I had to use a pick to get them out. Sure there’s not like double O rings in that fuel rail cap?
 
Ooo one thing I had to do when I swapped my injectors was make sure the existing top O ring cam out of the fuel rail cap. Almost all of them stuck inside and I had to use a pick to get them out. Sure there’s not like double O rings in that fuel rail cap?
I don't think so but I will double check. I also think that if an o-ring was stuck in there the injector would not even go all the way up in that spot and it I would think it would leak right away like when I first fired it up.

I will just check the injectors that I removed and make sure all the o-rings are on them
 
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