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B-radster

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Will a stock fuel pressure regulator supports engine builds with 24lb injectors? I have a mild built 5.0 which idles decent but shuts off when accelerator is pushed. Timing seems very touchy too. If cap is retarded or advanced 1" i get a pipping sound(misfire) thru intake. Double checked rockers dont seem to tight.....
 

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Will a stock fuel pressure regulator supports engine builds with 24lb injectors? I have a mild built 5.0 which idles decent but shuts off when accelerator is pushed. Timing seems very touchy too. If cap is retarded or advanced 1" i get a pipping sound(misfire) thru intake. Double checked rockers dont seem to tight....

Was reading a forum about TPS settings. Mine is set at .984 but the IAC was still plugged in and i did not undo battery to reset CPU. Will this cause the issue im having?
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Stock fuel pressure regulator can handle plenty. Tell us more about what was changed or when this started happening
 

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Also, you dont adjust timing by simply turning the distributor cap. You NEED to use a timing light
 

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compliments of @jrichker

Setting your timing:
Paint the mark on the harmonic balancer with paint -choose 10 degrees BTC or 14 degrees BTC or something else if you have NO2 or other power adder. I try to paint TDC red, 10 degrees BTC white, and 14 degrees BTC blue.

Remove the SPOUT connector (do a search if you want a picture of the SPOUT connector) It is the 2 pin rectangular plug on the distributor wiring harness. Only the EFI Mustang engines have a SPOUT. If yours is not EFI, check for a SPOUT: if you don’t find one, skip any instructions regarding the SPOUT
Warning: there are only two places the SPOUT should be when you time the engine. The first place is in your pocket while you are setting the timing and the second is back in the harness when you finish. The little bugger is too easy to lose and too hard to find a replacement.

Connect timing light up to battery & #1 spark plug.
To time the ignition: remove the SPOUT and use the timing light to check the timing against the marks on the harmonic balancer. Loosen the distributor hold down bolt and turn the distributor slowly until the light and the desired mark on the harmonic balancer line up. Tighten down the distributor hold down bolt and re-install the SPOUT jumper. When you put the SPOUT back in the computer will advance the spark. The timing may move around some with the SPOUT installed.

10 degrees BTC is towards the drivers side marks.

Simplified diagram of what it looks like. Not all the marks are shown for ease of viewing.

ATC ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '!' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' BTC
---------------- > Direction of Rotation as viewed standing in front of the engine.

The ' is 2 degrees.
The ! is TDC
The ' is 10 degrees BTC
Set the timing 5 marks BTC. Or if you prefer, 5 marks towards the driver's side.

The HO firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
Non HO firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

 
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also remove the spout before changing timing, with a gun
 

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Please also pull your codes, even if no check engine light on.. Also compliments of @jrichker

Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 

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Was using a light to adjust it but couldnt get idle so started to go there first. Just got done with build. BBK MAF and 70mm intake ported stock upper and lower intakes with port matched 1" spacer. Bored 40 over ported GT40 heads with dual springs roller rockers, roller .510 cam MSD coil cap and rotor. Soon as i started it the idle was rough adjusted TPS and will idle but when throttle pressed she stalls.
 

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Just want to make sure you're using to correct firing order as well 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
@MikeH686
 
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madspeed said:
Also, you dont adjust timing by simply turning the distributor cap. You NEED to use a timing light
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C'mon dont assume
 

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84Ttop said:
Just want to make sure you're using to correct firing order as well 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
@MikeH686
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Yes sir thats what i have
 

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also remove the spout before changing timing, with a gun
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Spout?
 

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Thank you!
 

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low blow low low blow I am still baffled as to how I even did that to be honest
 
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B-radster said:
Was using a light to adjust it but couldnt get idle so started to go there first. Just got done with build. BBK MAF and 70mm intake ported stock upper and lower intakes with port matched 1" spacer. Bored 40 over ported GT40 heads with dual springs roller rockers, roller .510 cam MSD coil cap and rotor. Soon as i started it the idle was rough adjusted TPS and will idle but when throttle pressed she stalls.
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Went from 19lb to 24lb injectors too if that matters? Have correct MAF for intake/injector combo
 

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low blow low low blow I am still baffled as to how I even did that to be honest
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Are you just trolling around?
 

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Are you just trolling around?
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Nevermind i see where you were tagged
 

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check for vacuum leaks
 
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If cap is retarded or advanced 1" i get a pipping sound(misfire) thru intake. Double checked rockers dont seem to tight.....
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B-radster said:
C'mon dont assume
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Looks like I wasn't assuming.... BTW
 
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