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98blackstallion

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Ok guys i have just bought a set of 2000 GT cylinder heads and I was wondering if my valve covers from my 98 GT will bolt onto these heads? Ok and what all parts are needed? I already have the PI intake manifold and all of its components that it requied to install. I just need what it takes to put the heads on and stuff. Please help me guys.
 

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Head bolts, intake gaskets, front main seal, Pi coolant tube and nipple, exhaust gaskets, heads, PI cams, intake, valve covers, timing cover gaskets, Pass side manifold to mid pipe gasket, oil and coolant. And you'll have to tap the aluminum intake crossover [if you have it] for the second temp sensor. This may help:
http://bossracing.net/Tech Articl...wap page1.htm
 

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CanadaStang said:
Head bolts, intake gaskets, front main seal, Pi coolant tube and nipple, exhaust gaskets, heads, PI cams, intake, valve covers, timing cover gaskets, Pass side manifold to mid pipe gasket, oil and coolant. And you'll have to tap the aluminum intake crossover [if you have it] for the second temp sensor. This may help:
http://bossracing.net/Tech Articl...wap page1.htm
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your gonna need all that and i think because you have 00 heads(windsor) and installing on a romeo block you will also need a new timing cover. I haven't done a windsor PI swap yet so i don't know all the extra's, but it is more work then swapping on Romeo PI heads. Some of the PI swap guys on here did it your way so they will know.
 

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I'm in the middle of the swap right now using windsor stuff, godman I spent 5 hours to get fsaucign dipstick tube in.

Heres the windsor specifc stuff, you can use your stock timing cover just fine, just get these studs/bolts.
Heres the timing cover studs you will need
Order 2 of this ( N808529-S309)
Order 2 of this ( N808140-S309)
Order 1 of this ( N808142-S437)

Windsor valve covers and oil dipstuck tube you will need also, your stock valve covers wont work. It would be a good time to upgrade to some alumn ones with driver side oil fill from team breed.

( make sure you buy another dip stick tube, cus chances are you will *** up one of them). My tip to getting the dipstick tube in, unbolt the motor mount and jack the engine up it will make your life easier, then you will also just need to play around with the tube for an hour bending it in certain ways and it will magically go right in.
 

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how much $ are those bolts you listed? and about how much do stock windsor valve covers run?
 

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don't forget to take the dipstick out of the tube, you don't want to be an idiot like me and break it
 

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anyone know where I can get a set of windsor head cam covers? I dont want to buy brand new cause i odnt need new ones. My engine doesnt have to look pretty just run badass is all i care.
 

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check on the 4 sale forums here and over on corral.net I have seen them for sale a couple of times.
 

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check this thread and ask this guy if his are still 4 sale
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=659679&highlight=windsor+valve+covers
 

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Ok guys i have all my head swap stuff ready to go so next weekend I am gonna take on this challenge. My biggest fear is getting the cam timing right..Do I have to remove the WHOLE front cover like to were you can see the crankshaft sprockets? Do i need a ford cam tool thing and a ford crankshaft tool? That way I can compress the valves that way the cam will freely move and then the crankshaft tool do I need that so I can set it to the 10:30 position? Please help me guys..
 

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98blackstallion said:
Ok guys i have all my head swap stuff ready to go so next weekend I am gonna take on this challenge. My biggest fear is getting the cam timing right..Do I have to remove the WHOLE front cover like to were you can see the crankshaft sprockets? Do i need a ford cam tool thing and a ford crankshaft tool? That way I can compress the valves that way the cam will freely move and then the crankshaft tool do I need that so I can set it to the 10:30 position? Please help me guys..
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You need to remove everything man, everything off the top of the engine including the timing cover! All you will have have left is the block pretty much, you don't neccisarly need to set the timing when you remove the stuff. After you pull everything off you can actually see where the pistons are, so you can turn the crank and put piston number 1 at TDC. But if you want to verify everything before you pull it off, just turn the crank by hand with the crank pulley and timing cover still on, there will be a arrow indicator on the outside of the timing cover and a mark on the pulley just line those up and put the trans in gear. Read the article below a couple times You don't need any of those tools, before you take everything apart read the article and make all your marks on the crank gear sensor, just turn the crank and put it in safe mode, put the heads on with the cams already in, then rotate the cams to the aproximate postion of where they should be. I think once you read the articles and get into the swap it will make sense, but yah you dont need any of those tools, just take your time and post more questions if you need to, make sure you do all the torque sequences and stuff for the heads, so if you dont have torque wrenches go buy them now.

http://www.modulardepot.com/?show=articlesdet&aid=32

You don't need to pull the engine like these guys, but they give a pretty damn through removal and install process. Read this article through a couple times.

http://www.bossracing.net/Tech Articles/PI Headswap/PI Head Swap page3.htm
 

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Man I appreciate your help I really do! I think I will start to understand this more when I see it on the motor itself and be able to picture it.
 
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What's the deal with the PI heads and PI intakes. I hear/see GT people talking about them but I never know what the difference is

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guys do 98 GT's have bolt on or pressed on cam gears? I hope they have bolt on because thats what i have now. Are they supposed to be cam bearings in the cam journals of the heads? IF so I dont have them.
 

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98blackstallion said:
guys do 98 GT's have bolt on or pressed on cam gears? I hope they have bolt on because thats what i have now. Are they supposed to be cam bearings in the cam journals of the heads? IF so I dont have them.
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Bolt on, no bearings just a spacer.
 

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what kind of spacer? where can i find these?
 

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Can anyone help me with the spacer thing? Cause I dont have any spacers with my 2000GT heads.
 

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98blackstallion said:
Can anyone help me with the spacer thing? Cause I dont have any spacers with my 2000GT heads.
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It's a metal ring that slides over the end of the cam. Do you already have your old heads off? I used the rings that were on my old cams.

This is what it looks like.
 

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is it right after the cam gear on the end of the cam? IF so I have one of those per cam right after the cam gear.
 

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is it right after the cam gear on the end of the cam? IF so I have one of those per cam right after the cam gear.
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That be the piece man.......
 
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