Give me the STOCK red-line on a 99-04 GT

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

blackfang said:
I am not talking about normal driving. I am talking drag racing hence running 12.9's. Where else would that figure come up from? You talked about not going past 5500 because you will damage the motor. ....

no no no you are misinturpretting me, i didn't say (or at least i did not intend to say, although im pretty sure i didn't say lol) that going past 5500 will damage the motor. I said taking it to redline wasn't a good idea and that just because your redline MAY be 6000 doesn't mean you should necesarily take it that high

blackfang said:
Not always the case. Yes gears can get you into your band faster, but the entire point of dragracing is to get from point A to B the fastest you can. So why shift at a lower rpm and think ahh I got gears I can get back in it. ...
Just because you have gears, doesnt mean you should shift at a lower rpm everytime....

I didn't say NOR mean it like that ok this si getting blown out of proportion

much anger i sense in you Take a chill pill man

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

Helty what is your most recent track time, since you've gone 20 times. The latest i see is only in your public profile on here. Whats the best you've pulled so far with your mods?

tomustang · Mar 26, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
Wait...how'd you tune your stock cams to 6500? clearly you shut off your rev-limiter. But the thing with aftermarket cams is they shift the powerband and alter your powerband numbers (hp/tq) the stock cams are just that, stock cams. Soooo how is shifting your redline to 6500 on the stock cams netting you anything?

PI swap, higher comp, o/f H, ported plenum yada yada..

helty · Mar 26, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
Helty what is your most recent track time, since you've gone 20 times. The latest i see is only in your public profile on here. Whats the best you've pulled so far with your mods?

the 20 was just a rough guesstimate. Ive made about 15 passes this month. My most recent was yesterday, ran a 9.4 after missing 3rd, screaming "F'k!" then putting it in gear and finishing the run. wasnt my finest moment @ the track.

It seems you're taking this personal bc a few guys have disagreed with you and your methods/beliefs of how to drive at the track. Dont take it that way. Drive your car the way you see fit. Im only throwing you facts that Ive learned from first hand experience. Would you like to know what times I ran when shifting between 5500-5800 compared to shifting @ 5800-6000? Ive got a pile of slips right here that I can post up.

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

tomustang said:
PI swap, higher comp, o/f H, ported plenum yada yada..

oh ok thats different. nevermind

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

helty said:
the 20 was just a rough guesstimate. Ive made about 15 passes this month. My most recent was yesterday, ran a 9.4 after missing 3rd, screaming "F'k!" then putting it in gear and finishing the run. wasnt my finest moment @ the track.

It seems you're taking this personal bc a few guys have disagreed with you and your methods/beliefs of how to drive at the track. Dont take it that way. Drive your car the way you see fit. Im only throwing you facts that Ive learned from first hand experience. Would you like to know what times I ran when shifting between 5500-5800 compared to shifting @ 5800-6000? Ive got a pile of slips right here that I can post up.

I meant what is your best time so far not most recent, sorry. And im not taking this personally. And yeah post your slips in comparison but with mods too. Your online profile says a 8.9 was ur 1/8 time which is only a 13.9. so i was wondering if you did better than that considering you have a moderate amount of mods

helty · Mar 26, 2006

I'll bet you I run better than a 13.9. Im not one to make excuses, but you can ask jasonh_86 about the track we run at. For early season test n tunes there is no track prep, period. I still managed a 2.05 60' on all season Sumi's. Let me run at the 1/4 in Memphis and I'll show you a 13.7 on street tires and a 1.9x 60' easy. Moderate mods? No more than the average 2V owner on here.

to say an 8.9 is a 13.9 is generalizing. Ive compared my 1000' times to a lot of other time slips of N/A GT's. Guys running the same 1000' times as I am are running 1/4 times from 13.4-14.1. I have rear axle issues right now so going to a 1/4 is not on my upcoming agenda, but when I do you'll be the first one I PM my time slips to.

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

helty said:
I'll bet you I run better than a 13.9. Im not one to make excuses, but you can ask jasonh_86 about the track we run at. For early season test n tunes there is no track prep, period. I still managed a 2.05 60' on all season Sumi's. Let me run at the 1/4 in Memphis and I'll show you a 13.7 on street tires and a 1.9x 60' easy. Moderate mods? No more than the average 2V owner on here.

to say an 8.9 is a 13.9 is generalizing. Ive compared my 1000' times to a lot of other time slips of N/A GT's. Guys running the same 1000' times as I am are running 1/4 times from 13.4-14.1. I have rear axle issues right now so going to a 1/4 is not on my upcoming agenda, but when I do you'll be the first one I PM my time slips to.

No more than the average 2v owner on here, exactly...thats why i said moderate. Dont think thats a good word to use for someone with your mods that most other owners have on here? Its not stock, so i cna't call it that. So i said moderate mods

...and im not generalizing.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com//Detailed/638.shtml (1/8th mile times converted to 1/4mil times)

that 8.9 pass would have been a 13.9 run.

GT02MG · Mar 26, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
No more than the average 2v owner on here, exactly...thats why i said moderate. Dont think thats a good word to use for someone with your mods that most other owners have on here? Its not stock, so i cna't call it that. So i said moderate mods

...and im not generalizing.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com//Detailed/638.shtml (1/8th mile times converted to 1/4mil times)

that 8.9 pass would have been a 13.9 run.

That calculator is not matching the numbers on my timeslips at all when coverting either way...whats the deal

BlackenedSVT · Mar 26, 2006

GT02MG said:
That calculator is not matching the numbers on my timeslips at all when coverting either way...whats the deal

I dont know, its the calculator tha tsomeone on here gave me. I didn't even need it, i just saved the link cause i thought it would be handy

GT02MG · Mar 26, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
I dont know, its the calculator tha tsomeone on here gave me. I didn't even need it, i just saved the link cause i thought it would be handy

I was just wondering if perhaps it came up with the numbers using other variables....

helty · Mar 26, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
...and im not generalizing.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com//Detailed/638.shtml (1/8th mile times converted to 1/4mil times)

that 8.9 pass would have been a 13.9 run.

so now theres a magic calculator that can tell you 1/4 times based on your 1/8th?

Ive tried being understanding, but you just dont get it. Tell me oh seasoned track veteran who uses internet calculators instead of real world experience......does that calculator take into account the cars powerband? gearing? F/I or N/A? Weight? D/A? Temp, humidity or track prep? No, it doesnt. That magical calculator of yours uses a fixed formula to get an ESTIMATED time. Different cars pull harder than others at different rpms and points on the track.

For instance, my car w/4.10s pulls harder than a 2V with similar mods and 3.55s or 3.73s. If we're both at 8.9 ET in the 1/8th, will both our 1/4 ET's be 13.9?

You just proved how inexperienced you are. Using an internet calculator to tell me my time would have been a 13.9. You've been proven wrong a few times already in the thread YOU STARTED and come back with something different to try and save face. I even proved you wrong about your little gas mileage spat in the other thread, and you came back with something contradicting your entire arguement! Just admit you were wrong. While you're at it, show me some of your track times. Come back and tell me how much you trust that calculator when you get some seat time at the track

I may not be Evan F'king Smith, but Ive been to the track enough to know theres no magic calculator. If there was, why would we bother going to the track more than once? We'd make one pass, write down our 1/8th, then come home, use your magic calculator and tell everyone what we run in the 1/4.

jasonh_86 · Mar 26, 2006

If you even used the common ways to calculate the 1/8th to 1/4th.. that 8.9 1/8th would come out around 13.7-13.8.. But there's WAY too many variables to be for sure

If this calculation was true to life.. then I would've ran a 13.4-13.5

helty · Mar 26, 2006

Here, look at these time slips and throw the numbers into your magic calculator, see how dead on it is

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5535981&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5831860&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40659&d=1133676358

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5659791&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5601684&postcount=1

Notice a trend? Most of those guys are running .2-.3 faster than your magic calculator is saying they should run. What did I say? 13.7x? I can find more if you still believe that magic calculator

Here, look at the last slip in this one. http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=6015450&postcount=18

He's running 8.94 1/8th, 11.65 1000', and 13.95 1/4

My slip reads: 8.90 1/8th, 11.35 1000', 13.xx 1/4 (to be determinded). Now Im running .3 faster than him between the 1/8th and 1000' mark. You still sure my 8.9 would only be a 13.9 1/4?

Now what did we learn here tonight? Time Slips and real world experience > magic calculator

BlackenedSVT · Mar 27, 2006

helty said:
Here, look at these time slips and throw the numbers into your magic calculator, see how dead on it is

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5535981&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5831860&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40659&d=1133676358

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5659791&postcount=1

http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=5601684&postcount=1

Notice a trend? Most of those guys are running .2-.3 faster than your magic calculator is saying they should run. What did I say? 13.7x? I can find more if you still believe that magic calculator

Here, look at the last slip in this one. http://forums.stangnet.com/showpost.php?p=6015450&postcount=18

He's running 8.94 1/8th, 11.65 1000', and 13.95 1/4

My slip reads: 8.90 1/8th, 11.35 1000', 13.xx 1/4 (to be determinded). Now Im running .3 faster than him between the 1/8th and 1000' mark. You still sure my 8.9 would only be a 13.9 1/4?

Now what did we learn here tonight? Time Slips and real world experience > magic calculator

Wow...get defensive much??

I was just showing you something to convert your 1/8th mile to 1/4 times. Its not a magic calculator. Just trying to help you out, and to show you where i was getting my information form, so that i wasn't "guessing" at your 1/4mile time like you said.

helty · Mar 27, 2006

UDTBadkarma said:
Wow...get defensive much??

When someone who's never made a track pass uses an internet calculator to tell me that my best pass is "only" a 13.9, yeah, maybe

UDTBadkarma said:
I was just showing you something to convert your 1/8th mile to 1/4 times. Its not a magic calculator. Just trying to help you out, and to show you where i was getting my information form.

It seems pretty obvious you were looking for something else. After you were proven wrong about your red-line thing by others, you went after my times bc you wanted to tell me I could run better if I shifted before redline. You weren't just telling me where you got your information from, you told me straight up "that 8.9 pass would have been a 13.9 run." See below

UDTBadkarma said:
so that i wasn't "guessing" at your 1/4mile time like you said.

UDTBadkarma said:
Your online profile says a 8.9 was ur 1/8 time which is only a 13.9

UDTBadkarma said:
that 8.9 pass would have been a 13.9 run.

Now which is it? Are you still so sure it would have been a 13.9? Im pulling .35 faster between the 1/8th and 1000' than another car with a similar 1/8th who is running a 13.9 1/4. Maybe I was wrong afterall, maybe that 8.9 would have been a 13.6

There's a lot more to your car than what your factory tach or some internet ET calculator says.

deftsound · Mar 27, 2006

hey does anyone know who won the 1985 superbowl?

javsvt · Mar 27, 2006

I think UDT is digging himself into a deeper hole everytime he post something.

helty · Mar 27, 2006

deftsound said:
hey does anyone know who won the 1985 superbowl?

I think it was DA BEARS

You mean the 85 Season or the 86 SB that was played after/for the 85 Season?

BlackenedSVT · Mar 27, 2006

javsvt said:
I think UDT is digging himself into a deeper hole everytime he post something.

must be badkarma

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