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MY 85 GT

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Ok I need help I took my car out for a ride today besides the cold bog it has which once it warms up to around 180 degrees on the temp gauge it doesn't seem to bog anymore today driving along normal water temp was 180...I was driving along BOOM!!!! a big backfire the car just shut off dead as a door nail pulled over waited a few minutes re-started it..drove very slow home...what in the hell could that be now....Whats new I just replaced....coil..tfi module,cap rotor,wires,tps,iac,o2s, just replaced the map sensor today brand new motorcraft one...didn't do plugs yet ....any ideas???...I was thinking a bad distributor or magnetic pick up coil?????
 

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Codes please. Or it had bad Taco Bell gas.
 

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Have you pulled the plugs and looked at them at all?
 

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Why would plugs possibly make it backfire, not run, then run again? Or are you just keeping him busy?
I better be careful or y'all will label me as the other grumpy old man.
 
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Im sure the plugs need to be changed that's not a question but to backfire and shut the car off kill it dead no power ....I don't think plugs would cause that...lol....im thinking ignition or something electrically??? this has me stumped but I wonder if the cold bog isn't the same problem as the car back firing and shuting off?
 

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Well I'm wondering if he has an intermittent fuel or spark issue. If he's dumping fuel And loading up to the point of a giant backfire....? Besides with the turbo/bog issue etc I would have been already checking. I completely agree on pulling codes also.
 

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Ok that's why Im thinking a bad dist? or mag pick up?
 

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Did you replace the ect sensor yet? Bud you really need to run the codes first. I'd pull plugs also. It could start pointing you in the ignition area.
 

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I replaced the ect the other day no change...replaced the map sensor today.no change...I can run the codes...I don't think plugs would make it backfire and shut off...im now thinking something in the dist or electronic somewhere...oh and this car ran fine for 3 years just started this last summer....
 

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Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $22-$36.
 

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I have an 87 but its converted to MAF so what method do i use ...lol
 

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MY 85 GT said:
I have an 87 but its converted to MAF so what method do i use ...lol
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Just spend the $25

Amazon product ASIN B000EW0KHWView: http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3145-Ford-Digital-Reader/dp/B000EW0KHW
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Just spend the $25

Amazon product ASIN B000EW0KHWView: http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3145-Ford-Digital-Reader/dp/B000EW0KHW
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Ok cool where can i get that? pep boys or advance have it?
 

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I've never seen it there. It's available everywhere online though
 
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ok ran out bought a code scanner ran my codes here they are now keep in mind I don't have an EGR or a purge canister anymore....here are the codes....


21
24
31
84
85


any help would be great thanks....
 

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MY 85 GT said:
ok ran out bought a code scanner ran my codes here they are now keep in mind I don't have an EGR or a purge canister anymore....here are the codes....


21
24
31
84
85


any help would be great thanks....
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Code 21 - was the engine warm when you ran the test? If it was, than this indicates ECT sensor out of range.
Code 24 - IAT sensor out of range. Possibly faulty.

Those two sensors can be tested, and i'm sure Jritchter will be along to post the how to shortly.

Code 31 is EGR. You said you don't have it so just verify that the EGR is closed and not stuck partially open.

Code 84 and 85 you can ignore


Did you fire up the car and run the engine running codes too?


Delete all the codes, then fire up the car and go for a long drive and get everything nice and warm. Come back, park the car, and then run them again. Run the codes with the engine off, and then start the engine and initiate the code reading again and then post what numbers you come back with.

Reason i say you delete the codes is that you have an IAT codes, but said you replaced it. So that could be an old code. Deleting the codes and starting over will only let current codes show. Also, going for a drive will verify the ECT code because this can sometimes be a false code if you run the codes with the engine cool
 

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I replaced the ECT sensor haven't replaced the the ACT its been in there about 3 years now and I do run meth injection...I can do the engine running with the scanner?
 
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dumb question how do you clear codes ..just disconnect the battery?
 

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ok did the engine run test here are the codes AGAIN I don't have an egr valve it blocked off....

here are the codes
11
31
42
92

and the o2 sensors are brand new also.....while engine was hot I didn't get an ACT sensor code.
 

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42/91 have to do with fuel system/o2's if I remember right(not 100% sure) I believe youre running to rich. Can you refresh my memory on what fuel system/tuning you have? IE what pump,inj,MAF,tuning device(chip?) etc.
A super rich condition would make sense and explain your problems. That's also why I was talking about the plugs. If you pulled them and checked you probably would have found a fouled plug or 2. Creating a fuel drenched chamber that when it did fire...boom! It also would explain your cold "bog". Your plugs also might not be the right heat range. Excessive fuel-wrong/defective plugs= a bog and a potential backfire. I've seen it a lot on a carbed application. And it to "died". You will usually see a big fire ball out of the carb. I think some of your problem might be in the tune. This is obviously just speculation. Do you have a wideband?
 
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