has anyone track tested the difference between bamachip and brenspeed?

xtweakerx · Jun 13, 2008

wondering if anyone has ever gotten both tunes and tried both on the track to see if their is any gain w/ Bamachips race tune over brenspeeds 93 tune?

i got my sct 2 from brenspeed w/ c&l racer intake wondering if i got the bamachip race tune i could pick up a tenth or anything..

NastyStang113 · Jun 13, 2008

It's not going to be worth it. The only difference is if you'd get a dyno tune.

xtweakerx · Jun 13, 2008

yup ur prob right... ill just wait til i get a couple more things done and have steeda motorsports or someone else do a full dyno tune to create a custom tune.

NastyStang113 · Jun 13, 2008

www.VMPTuning.com

It'd be worth the drive, trust me.

xtweakerx · Jun 13, 2008

i prob would but ouch its about 3 hours away, that would run me a FORTUNE in gas back and forth.. ; (

ill prob do someone local when the time comes.

As of right now leaning towards Steeda.

NastyStang113 · Jun 13, 2008

3 hours is nothing ... I know someone from the F150 forums that drove from Miami to Justin at VMP.

DarkFireGT · Jun 13, 2008

I keep forgetting to do so, but next track day, I'll try to remember. I haven't loaded my Bama tune up in quite a while, but I think I'll give it a shot. I can't remember if I was having AFR issues with my newest version of the tune, or not. But I'll give it a shot and report back.

NotQuik · Jun 13, 2008

How do you like the 4.10's over the 3.55's, any traction issues now?

xtweakerx · Jun 14, 2008

yeah 3 hours isnt that bad but now w/ the 4:10's i dont want to pay those gas prices back and forth not to mention listen to my car at 2800 rpms for that long lol.

Steeda is an hour away and coming back home from their i ate a lot more gas than going their w/ the 3:55s.

I haven't raced it at the track yet to see if i have any traction issues but on the street its holding up pretty good the new control arms are helping me plant the tires, im sure if i had the stock ones on still id be gettin some serious wheel hop.

thanks dark fire.

NastyStang113 · Jun 14, 2008

Well it's fine if you want mediocre tuning ... It'd actually probably be worse than what you have now.

xtweakerx · Jun 14, 2008

why would u bash steeda? i know people who work there and they do great jobs.

They also have all out race cars that they work on and race and everything. I mean are you talking from experience? Because I know a lot of bad ass cars that get tuned their.

I dont see how it would be worse than a mail order tune from Brenspeed, since my car would get actually tuned on the dyno.

Not to mention i dont even know if what brenspeed gave was custom at all since i had no custom files and it was listed under Pre-loaded tunes like if they just mailed me out what SCT already had pre-loaded.

NastyStang113 · Jun 14, 2008

I'm not going to get into it anymore, it sounds like you've got your mind made up. It's just going to turn into an internet pissing match. By the way, I never bashed Steeda so don't put words in my mouth. I don't appreciate that. However what I did say was that it'd be worth it to drive a few more hours to get some tuning done by someone that is better than the people who do the tuning at Steeda. Justin who owns VMP and does the tuning used to work for SCT themselves and designed a lot of the tunes that are used for their "canned" tunes.

DarkFireGT · Jun 14, 2008

For the record, all of Brenspeed's tunes are custom files. They don't use any manufacturers canned tunes. They preload them for your ease of installation. But I can't imagine a company like Steeda messing up a dyno tune. I don't see how it could be worse than a mail order tune.

red05bullitgt · Jun 14, 2008

Just for the record, unless the car is custom tuned on the dyno. Both mail order, and preloaded tuning files, are considered as canned tunes.

Although there's a very significant difference between a Bamachip's/Brenspeed custom mail order tune over a manufacturers base tuning files. An official custom tune requires the actual vehicle being tuned on the dyno, in which the tuning files are designed exclusively for that particular vehicle in question. As every car responds to tuning mods differently !

NastyStang113 · Jun 14, 2008

red05bullitgt said:
Just for the record, unless the car is custom tuned on the dyno. Both mail order, and preloaded tuning files, are considered as canned tunes.

Although there's a very significant difference between a Bamachip's/Brenspeed custom mail order tune over a manufacturers base tuning files. An official custom tune requires the actual vehicle being tuned on the dyno, in which the tuning files are designed exclusively for that particular vehicle in question. As every car responds to tuning mods differently !

That's debatable. Most people consider mail order tunes custom but still label them as mail order tunes to differentiate them from a custom dyno tune. Truly a canned tune means it comes from the company who produces the programmer and is a "one size fits all" tune. Although you know what they say about opinions ...

DarkFireGT · Jun 14, 2008

ThumperMX113 said:
That's debatable. Most people consider mail order tunes custom but still label them as mail order tunes to differentiate them from a custom dyno tune. Truly a canned tune means it comes from the company who produces the programmer and is a "one size fits all" tune. Although you know what they say about opinions ...

That's always been my definition. The tunes custom tunes from Bamachips/Brenspeed, and other tuners are based off of experience and dyno tunes that they've done with the products. The canned tunes from the manufacturers are based off of computer models. That is why you always hear the words "customer e-mail tune" and "custom dyno tune", to distinguish the two.

NastyStang113 · Jun 14, 2008

Exactly, glad we're on the same page.

red05bullitgt · Jun 14, 2008

ThumperMX113 said:
That's debatable. Most people consider mail order tunes custom but still label them as mail order tunes to differentiate them from a custom dyno tune. Truly a canned tune means it comes from the company who produces the programmer and is a "one size fits all" tune. Although you know what they say about opinions ...

Well you can choose to spin it anyway you like, however unless your particular car is tuned on the dyno. What you have, is a mail order or preloaded tune, and not an actual custom dyno tune.

Just as I previously stated, each car responds to tuning mods differently along with acknowledging the fact, there's a significant difference between a manufacturers base/canned tuning files, over mail order tuning files. Just as there's also a difference between mail order programs, and custom dyno tunes.

And btw: I'm also fully aware of what they say about opinions...

red05bullitgt · Jun 14, 2008

DarkFireGT said:
That's always been my definition. The tunes custom tunes from Bamachips/Brenspeed, and other tuners are based off of experience and dyno tunes that they've done with the products. The canned tunes from the manufacturers are based off of computer models. That is why you always hear the words "customer e-mail tune" and "custom dyno tune", to distinguish the two.

Tuning files are based off of more than just what they've done with the products. The tunes are also based upon the vehicle's individual parameters as well.

So how can you really say that you have a custom tune, when your mail order tuning files were based upon somebody else's car.

And why is it, that some mail order tunes require being adjusted or revised. It's because the tuning files were based off of another car's parameters. Which once again explains why each car responds to tuning mods differently !

DarkFireGT · Jun 14, 2008

red05bullitgt said:
Tuning files are based off of more than just what they've done with the products. The tunes are also based upon the vehicle's individual parameters as well.

So how can you really say that you have a custom tune, when your mail order tuning files were based upon somebody else's car.

And why is it, that some mail order tunes require being adjusted or revised. It's because the tuning files were based off of another car's parameters. Which once again explains why each car responds to tuning mods differently !

I'm fully aware that a dyno tune is better and more custom, there's no doubting that. But a mail order tune from an experienced tuner is far more beneficial than a manufacturers tune, more custom because it's tailored to your car's mods, and can be adjusted. Manufacturers do not tailor their canned tunes. The manufacturers also don't adjust things like throttle, shift points, etc... It's like buying a Jet chip. What they give you is what you get. Every car definitely responds differently, and the ability to customize the email tune to how your specific car is reacting is just another thing that makes it a custom tune.

Anywho, yes, a dyno tune is best, but if that's not available, a mail order tune from a recognized tuner will give far better results than manufacturer canned tunes.

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