0LASERGT1 said:if I were you, i'd start to inch the "blower" towards the top of the list. Especially having a 96-98.
Sorry dude, but with a 13.15 at 103.37 w 1.77 60'...you beat the driver, not the car. Even a centrifugally blown non-PI car with relatively conservative boost levels should be able to muster up a better time than that. Get one with a Positive displacement blower like an AED, Kenne Bell, or FRPP that doesn't have the crappy NPI intake to deal with and they run faster still. Yeah, Nitrous will make it fast, but nitrous makes anything fast....and you're always filling the bottle. Not to mention crazy cams kind of takes away from the drivability and fuel economy end of things too.just some guy said:its not worth the money, ive beaten quite a few 96-98 blower cars, its a worthless mod for those heads/cams/intake.
Go all motor, get some Hardcore cams, a serious port job and some kind of aftermarket intake, that and some spray and you can run low 11s.(on stickys)
crazynorwegian said:mph(modular powerhouse) stage 2 1/2 heads, stage 2 vt cams, pi intake, and a good tune. thats what I'm doing in a few weeks, and it should put me around 320-330rwhp according to mph. if you do all the labor yourself it will still run you close to $3,000. add a bullet intake manifold, and a bunch of bolt ons, and you'll be closer to 350rwhp
90RanGer said:I thought you were going cobra engine? Anyways, id really like to see what you put down man, Im pretty much in the same boat as you, picked up some pi heads over the weekend and going to have friend that used to port heads for a living do mine, going with vt stage 1 cams tho. I duno about smog and stage 2s..ahah. Who are you gona have tune yours? I was kind of thinking of going to apex motorsports in santa clara, not sure yet. I can't wait myself to make my "turd" fast, and Im sure you are real excited to. Hopefully I can get started on mine soon as semester ends.
crazynorwegian said:I changed my mind. 280rwhp from the cobra motor, or 320rwhp from the heads cams and pi manifold for the same price as the cobra motor. plus my motor will appear to be stock, besides the the lobbing idle from the vt cams. I'm not going to worry about smog right now. I have 1 1/2 years before I have to get it done again, and I when the time comes, I'll just set aside a weekend to swap the vt cams for some regular pi cams. then after I get it smoged I'll just swap back. will take some time, but its worth the stage 2 cams. I wont be tuning the car right away,I goto save a little bit more for the tune. theres a guy thats on the CAfords message board by the name jeff s. who I might be getting the tune done by. But, if that doesn't work out I'll be having it tuned by apex. I'll try to keep everyone up to date on the dyno numbers.
I disagree. You just totaled up $4500.00 worth of parts for without the pullies, injectors and MAF for 330-340rwhp. You could easily surpass that by well over 30-50rwhp with an S-Trim/Novi 1000 kit, ported heads with PI cams and still have money left over for further mods. Not to mention retain 100% stock drivability and fuel economy. Doing it the N/A route seems like a lot of money to spend just to hear some lopey cams when you’re at idle.hognutz said:.....the reality though it is alot of cash but with a 98 car you will proably end up with as much if not more power than a supercharger.
Gearbanger 101 said:I disagree. You just totaled up $4500.00 worth of parts for without the pullies, injectors and MAF for 330-340rwhp. You could easily surpass that by well over 30-50rwhp with an S-Trim/Novi 1000 kit, ported heads with PI cams and still have money left over for further mods. Not to mention retain 100% stock drivability and fuel economy. Doing it the N/A route seems like a lot of money to spend just to hear some lopey cams when you’re at idle.
If you want to do it because you have a disposable income or like a rough idle, or want to be different with your build than most, that’s one thing. But don’t be fooled into thinking N/A is the better bang for the buck in comparison to superchargeing with a Modular engine, regardless of the year….because it’s not! Not even close.
crazynorwegian said:later down the road after I forge the bottom end, and drop the compression down a little, a kb supercharger on 98 with p&p heads and cams can produce over 500rwhp.
Alright then….lets compare.hognutz said:I don't see the big cash differece you are talking about.
heads (mph, vt,foxlake) $1800
cams (I would do custom) $600
intake (p51) $1200
longtubes $500
solid lash adjusters? I think the higher hp cars run these
dyno tune $400
posibly even pullies, larger maf, injectors. (which you neglected to mention is going to tack at least another $550.00+ to the total)
I would think even with all this you would be in the 330-340 range. this setup would get you well over 300 though.
crazynorwegian said:mph(modular powerhouse) stage 2 1/2 heads, stage 2 vt cams, pi intake, and a good tune. thats what I'm doing in a few weeks, and it should put me around 320-330rwhp according to mph. if you do all the labor yourself it will still run you close to $3,000. add a bullet intake manifold, and a bunch of bolt ons, and you'll be closer to 350rwhp
crazynorwegian said:I changed my mind. 280rwhp from the cobra motor, or 320rwhp from the heads cams and pi manifold for the same price as the cobra motor. plus my motor will appear to be stock, besides the the lobbing idle from the vt cams. I'm not going to worry about smog right now. I have 1 1/2 years before I have to get it done again, and I when the time comes, I'll just set aside a weekend to swap the vt cams for some regular pi cams. then after I get it smoged I'll just swap back. will take some time, but its worth the stage 2 cams. I wont be tuning the car right away,I goto save a little bit more for the tune. theres a guy thats on the CAfords message board by the name jeff s. who I might be getting the tune done by. But, if that doesn't work out I'll be having it tuned by apex. I'll try to keep everyone up to date on the dyno numbers.
007 said:Theres no way thatll hit 320rwhp. I'm sorry. You should be pleased if you see 300.
crazynorwegian said:I'm just going to what people are getting with this setup. my setup will be lightly different from your. I'll be using mph heads, which flow slightly better then the vt heads, and I'll be using the stock short-block, so my compression will be over 10-1 with the new heads.
vt stage 2 heads
220 intake/ 195 exhaust @ .550lift
mph stage 2 1/2 heads
235 intake/ 202 exhaust @ .550lift
98stangv8 said:that is the same thing I said...very lucky to hit 300
98stangv8 said:you are missing some of the other big bolt ons that you need though to hit 300...
new plenum, throttle body, intake, and you don't have longtubes...I was told at mph that I would make 310, no problem, and that was before my 302 block, and also before my port and polished heads...and after all that, I still only made 307....
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