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Stang01GT

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If both the 2005-up mustangs and our cars both have the same internals, how come there engines can handle so much more power. I know on 99-04 the limit is 400rwhp but on 2005-up mustangs there always pushing 450-up rwhp and still holding strong.
 

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i have seen a few procharged 05s holding 600rwhp with stock motors but have no clue how they do it so im interested to see.
 

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our limit is more like 450, and one reason they can do it is thier heads flow better so they dont need to run as much psi to get the same numbers we do hencse less strain on parts
 
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By the book the 99-04's are rated a bit low, but i remember a guy here a couple years ago that had a built shortblock still in the crate waiting to install it when his stock 2v would finally blow up. last i checked he was at nearly 550 rwhp and still not broken - i've seen a 99-04 kenne bell 2v blow up the 1st time at the track with just over 400rwhp. think a proper tune makes a big difference on how long the motors last.
 

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MEandmyKB said:
By the book the 99-04's are rated a bit low, but i remember a guy here a couple years ago that had a built shortblock still in the crate waiting to install it when his stock 2v would finally blow up. last i checked he was at nearly 550 rwhp and still not broken - i've seen a 99-04 kenne bell 2v blow up the 1st time at the track with just over 400rwhp. think a proper tune makes a big difference on how long the motors last.
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550rwhp is the exception, not the rule. the guy was lucky.

the 3V's, as stated, can handle more power because of the heads.
 
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DBMSTNG said:
550rwhp is the exception, not the rule. the guy was lucky.

the 3V's, as stated, can handle more power because of the heads.
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yeah i couldn't believe the engine was still holding up to all the dyno pulls and runs at the track. love the 3v motors..first one i saw with a kb made 540whp.
 

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more flow = same power with less psi resistance and less stress.
 

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RedBullitt said:
more flow = same power with less psi resistance and less stress.
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so explain why the 4v motors seem to crap out after about 450rwhp



alot of the difference is turbo vs. supercharger

second is the tune vs. psi....if you run higher psi, you need a more conservative tune to keep it altogether.
 

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another thing to realize is, there are rare cars making insane power on stock internals, but eventually, they blow up quicker.

Theres stock long block cobras making over 1000rwhp, but they just dont last long

typically, any 2v, 3v, 4v (minus terminator) mustangs have a limit of about 450-500rwhp....anyone can go higher, but how long will it last?
 

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I know a guy with an 05 Vert, with a procharger, running about 650 and he drives this thing hard. I am totally amazed that he hasn't blown it yet, and yes it is totally stock internals.
 

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CobraRed_96_GT said:
one reason they can do it is thier heads flow better so they dont need to run as much psi to get the same numbers we do hencse less strain on parts
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Bingo. 500rwhp @ 8 PSI is a lot less stress than 450rwhp @ 14 PSI. hotmustang331's turbo 2V pushing nearly 500rwhp on relatively low boost is a good example of that. 3V heads happen to be efficient enough where it can make those #s on low boost with blowers as well.

Ever notice how turbo 03/04 Cobras can run over 700rwhp on 93 octane? Good luck doing that with a blower.
 

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Well what makes power is how much air your getting into the cylinders. The 3V like said has great flowing heads, and to boot the heads LOVE timing.

So a 3V running 10PSI is like a 2V running say 13-14PSI. Problem and ONLY reason why the 2V would be less safe is because of HEAT. 13PSI make more heat than 10PSI. If you have a wicked intercooler you can run almost head to head with them as far as "safe" power is concerned, as long as the inlet temps are the same.

Im at "498RWHP" right now...but thats actually deceptivly LOW. that # was @ 8.7PSI and also 6200RPMs where the car doesnt want to make power...only reason it did is because the boost kept climbing to that peak. Thats all the boost it would get LOL. On the street is a different story and I have 3 settings. 8.9PSI, 9.5PSI, and 10.2PSI. 500RWHP, 520RWHP, 540RWHP respectively. Yep a 2V and she is still running strong.
 

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hotmustang331 said:
Well what makes power is how much air your getting into the cylinders. The 3V like said has great flowing heads, and to boot the heads LOVE timing.

So a 3V running 10PSI is like a 2V running say 13-14PSI. Problem and ONLY reason why the 2V would be less safe is because of HEAT. 13PSI make more heat than 10PSI. If you have a wicked intercooler you can run almost head to head with them as far as "safe" power is concerned, as long as the inlet temps are the same.

Im at "498RWHP" right now...but thats actually deceptivly LOW. that # was @ 8.7PSI and also 6200RPMs where the car doesnt want to make power...only reason it did is because the boost kept climbing to that peak. Thats all the boost it would get LOL. On the street is a different story and I have 3 settings. 8.9PSI, 9.5PSI, and 10.2PSI. 500RWHP, 520RWHP, 540RWHP respectively. Yep a 2V and she is still running strong.
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on stock internals too just make sure than if you throw a rod it doesn't crack those cams

j/k hotmustang
 

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VT cams FTW
 

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02LaserRed2V said:
Bingo. 500rwhp @ 8 PSI is a lot less stress than 450rwhp @ 14 PSI. hotmustang331's turbo 2V pushing nearly 500rwhp on relatively low boost is a good example of that. 3V heads happen to be efficient enough where it can make those #s on low boost with blowers as well.

Ever notice how turbo 03/04 Cobras can run over 700rwhp on 93 octane? Good luck doing that with a blower.
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answer why 4v mod motors have the same hp safe area as 2v's then.

second, my buddy had a cammed 2.4kb cobra making 680 wheel on 93 octane.
 

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65fastback2+2 said:
answer why 4v mod motors have the same hp safe area as 2v's then.
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I've seen stock motor 4Vs put down 500rwhp on 10 PSI.

second, my buddy had a cammed 2.4kb cobra making 680 wheel on 93 octane.
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680 on 93 octane? If that's true, then everyone else must be doing something wrong.
 

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65fastback2+2 said:
answer why 4v mod motors have the same hp safe area as 2v's then.

second, my buddy had a cammed 2.4kb cobra making 680 wheel on 93 octane.
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What 4v motor are you talking about? Terminator 4v or non-Terminator 4v?

If you're including Terminators then their HP limit is closer to 650-700HP (not 100% sure on those numbers, i r n00b when it comes to their limits)
 
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Dusstbuster said:
If you're including Terminators then their HP limit is closer to 650-700HP (not 100% sure on those numbers, i r n00b when it comes to their limits)
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No, the 03+ Cobras have easily run 8-900 HP on the stock internals.

Look at the KOTS competition in 5.0. Many or all of the Cobras (IIRC) had stock internals.
 

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02LaserRed2V said:
I've seen stock motor 4Vs put down 500rwhp on 10 PSI.



680 on 93 octane? If that's true, then everyone else must be doing something wrong.
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+1, that car must be tuned on the bitter edge LOL. Or it was a happy dyno
 
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