2MFF-Z28 said:You think a c5 is that much faster than an fbod? VERY close in performance with the edge going to the c5 because of less weight. You do realize that they have the SAME motor right?
A car that traps 100mph stock is usually REAL close to one that traps 6-8 mph faster, your right, I get it now.
LS1
Vette LS1 = F-Body LS1Klay said:Thats exactly why I said a stock fbod cant run or beat a c5 corvette because the vette is lighter and I am not sure but I would think they have better traction
Plus since when tdo fbods have 350 hp? I know they are underrated by I mean 350 is a bit of a stretch isnt it?
Klay said:Thats exactly why I said a stock fbod cant run or beat a c5 corvette because the vette is lighter and I am not sure but I would think they have better traction
Plus since when tdo fbods have 350 hp? I know they are underrated by I mean 350 is a bit of a stretch isnt it?
2MFF-Z28 said:Well, an 01-02 6 speed will put down over 300 rwhp EASY.
factor in a 15% driveline loss and you have 345hp
That is for 300rwhp most will put down over 310rwhp
Do you see the light?
These numbers could even be a bit conservative.
as stated aboveLS1
Klay said:Care to prove that? I admit I dont know much about fbods and corevettes but it doesn't make any sense for GM to make them equal in performance
It would be like if the new cobra is just as fast as the ford gt
the engines are similar but the cobra wont be putting up the same times
Plus, 15% loss determining factor is just a generalization
Have you ever seen the numbers for what the engine actually does put out? (not to the wheels, from the crank)
02LS1 said:GM didn't make them equal in performance...1/4 mile will be close but everything else goes to the Corvette. They also rated the Z28 40hp less than the Vette and the SS 25hp less. I dunno if it was intentional or not...but fact is the LS1 F-bodies and LS1 Corvettes made very similar hp/tq...at least it wasn't even close to the 25-40hp difference that GM claimed.
*It's not really uncommon to see an LS1 F-body put down more rwhp/tq than a Vette due to the Corvette having a transaxle and IRS.
2MFF-Z28 said:This is correct..........sorry haters!
There is more to performance than straight line, but in that case the cars are REAL close.
The GT is a real sweet car, but to say it is equal in performance is silly. Now do some mods and your right there, but stock its just not going to happen.
Klay said:I'm with peon here, doc just said he knows guys with some bolt ons and drag radials who get into the 12's but then others are trying to say they can run 12's stock? I mean come on, there is no way an ls1 camaro will run with a c5 vette which resides in the 12's
Also, a stock 03 cobra runs high 12's from what I have seen, you trying to say an fbod can run with them?
If you're an Fbody fan it is just FACT. You want proof go and join an Fbody forum and ask, they will tell you the same thing though.Klay said:Care to prove that? I admit I dont know much about fbods and corevettes but it doesn't make any sense for GM to make them equal in performance
It would be like if the new cobra is just as fast as the ford gt
the engines are similar but the cobra wont be putting up the same times
Plus, 15% loss determining factor is just a generalization
Have you ever seen the numbers for what the engine actually does put out? (not to the wheels, from the crank)
2MFF-Z28 said:BTW I allways pound the crap out of ALL the 03-04 cobras I come accross, no problem. I beat 2 the other day. Its a drivers race
peonslayer said:Maybe I should quote the Stang that ran 13.35. Well I don't, because it was driven by a professional driver.
sawman70 said:
Old men who aren't racing you do not count man...post some dyno #'s or time slips or your just trolling with BS.
sawman70 said:
Old men who aren't racing you do not count man...post some dyno #'s or time slips or your just trolling with BS.
Is this how you justify mustangs being slow?sawman70 said:My painties are never in a bind, I think you'd have your a$$ handed to you by most of the 03/04's by me. Mine may not be one of them as it is on the weak side with ony 550hp, no sarcasm there just fact (most guys I know are into the 600+ range with plenty of mods to get it to the ground). So if you posted something, I may not think your full of it, I doubt you did though or you would have referenced it so for now, I still think your trolling.
The only point that matters is the Mustang is still around and the Camaro is not, this stupid argument goes from thread to thread. 10 years from now when all the kids have wrecked their rusty Camaros, this may go away. Ford did not design the Mustang to beat the Camaro in a race, they designed it to beat it in sales and the 05 owners need to realize and embrace that fact. It doesn't freakin' matter. You bought the car to drive and enjoy don't let the jackasses in the world take that enjoyment from you.
Look at those guys in the slow MG's and TR7's driving on the weekends with the big grins on their face. They could give a sh$$$$$$$t whose car is faster they just want to drive. Let's follow their lead.
Bowtiesblow said:Is this how you justify mustangs being slow?j/k
Doc GTO said:Klay, I said I have friends in STOCK fbodies in the high 12s. The solid axle is easier to launch then the IRS on the Vette. The LS1s in the 01-02 fbodies is the same as the Vettes with exception to the vettes throttle by wire. GM didn't want to step on the vette division's toes by saying the fbodies had the same power, but they did.
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