Im making over 500 to the wheels forged internals, boost and tune for sure. Click my sig for what I did to get there.
remember, boost doesn't = power
CFM does. (Volume of air)
T-70 turbo
Check my sig...
I have a stock motor.
Good luck
remember, boost doesn't = power
CFM does. (Volume of air)
I had a v-2 sq running 10 psi. Made 402RWHP and 386RWTQ
I now have a T-70 turbo @ 10 psi. Making 468RWHP and 555RWTQ
T-70 turbo
Check my sig...
I have a stock motor.
Good luck
remember, boost doesn't = power
CFM does. (Volume of air)
I had a v-2 sq running 10 psi. Made 402RWHP and 386RWTQ
I now have a T-70 turbo @ 10 psi. Making 468RWHP and 555RWTQ
You making 468 WHP on the stock block?
That's not gonna last too long lol.
The 400 RWHP limit to the stock bottom end is a myth. I know of several guys making well over 400 RWHP on stock internals and have been driving the car for a long time.
If you were to decide to use a centrifugal blower, I would without a doubt go with a Pro Charger. The sky is the limit with their head units and their intercoolers are top notch as well. Pro Charger is light years ahead of the competition.The P-1SC is one of the "lightweight" models and will support easily over 850 HP at the crank. Pro Charger has head units that will support over 2,500 HP.
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CENTENNIALSTANG, If you have all forged internals your motor should be good to at least 900HP. You will need a fuel system to keep up. 60# injectors, Larger fuel line from tank to fuel rail, and a kick ass pump. Right now I only have 42# injectors, but am currently limited by them. The fuel pump upgrade is where your wallet gets hit. You can put the cobra fuel tank in with the cobra pumps, or get an aeromotive inline pump and convert it to a return style fuel system. Personally, I will be staying returnless as the guy that does my tuning is making over 800RWHP now on an '05 with a returnless system.
http://www.modularmadness.com/gpage2.html
And if you have forged internals, don't stay at 9 psi, it is a waste!!! I would run 1 bar (14.7psi) on 93 octane. You should see close to 600rwhp with that and a conservative tune.
Remember to run a massive intercooler!!!
...like mine:
I'm going on 8 months and 95,000 miles. Although my tranny is making lots of bad noises now. VERY seldom do I rev the motor over 5,500rpm. Might make the differance, might not do anything at all.
My vote is still for turbo. Makes more torque than ANY blower.
Even the KB2.6.
And its $800
The "400WHP limit" is not really a "myth". Many people slap on a blower, push 350WHP with a ****ty tune, and blow the motor because they redline it 5-6 times a day. On the other hand, some have been able to push 500, even 600WHP on a very safe tune and the car has lasted years. Generally most people keep it under 450WHP, because as you said, that's when the rods/pistons have problems. It all depends on the tune, the kind of blower, and the type of driver.
As for procharger being "top notch"- I'm not sure about that one.
Many of those chargers having leaking problems. On top of that, Prochargers are highly overrated when it comes to CFM/HP rates. I have yet to see a p1sc that has made more than 600WHP, and yet the Vortech s-trim has been proven to make 600WHP- Tim at MPH has done so. Procharger claims the p1SC is capable of 1200 cfm and 825 HP (about 700WHP). That is definetely BS because Vortech s-trims are rated at 1000cfm and 580WHP (according to Vortech). If you want REAL power, you need a novi2000, Vortech T-trim, or KB 2.6 . The P1sc just can't keep up with those blowers. Period.
I owned a vortech, When I first bolted it on I cried. I couldn't feel a differance. Its like going from a stock air filter, to a K&N.
Took a tiny pulley and custom tune to wake it up.
Prochargers make lots of power, but do so very unefficiently. Roughly 55% compressor efficiency.
Vortech is slightly better at 65%, but are over rated in the advertising for total flow capabilities.
Turbo is 75% efficient
And as for fabbing the turbo kit, my total cost was $1900, including the FMIC, turbo, mandrel bends, Waste Gate, and Bypass valve. All new parts.
Only thing you have to "MAKE" is the exhaust piping. All it is is welding pipe bends together. Takes some time (2 weeks about 4 hrs a day) to get everything done, but is by no means HARD to do.
As for emmissions, I don't have them in FL. SO you would be screwed there. Check out www.turbochargedpower.com
Yes, it is a myth. Just because a few boneheads mistreat their motor or do not have the common sense to get it properly tuned, automatically excludes them from being allowed into statistical reality.
A few boneheads? By a few do you mean hundreds of people?
How are they "even close to the engineering quality of the ATI stuff"? Please explain in detail. Why do hundreds of people love Vortech for their quality products and results? Why do hundreds of people complain about ATI and their leaky head units? I don't think it was "just a bad batch".You see, I am sure. I have been doing blower installs on cars for a long time now. Vortech makes some good products, but they aren't even close to the engineering quality of the ATI stuff....not even close.
Obviously every parts manufactually will have problems every once in a while. But how can you say " ATI made good on all the customer's head units"? By that do you mean charged hundreds of dollars to have the problem fixed? That's crappy customer service if you ask me. If I bought a BRAND NEW blower for thousands of dollars and it took a crap within months, I would be PISSED. They better fix that damn thing for FREE, no questions asked.ATI had a very limted batch of bad compressor housing seals. The problem was instantly realized and has long since been remedied, and ATI made good on all the customer's head units. EVERY parts manufacturer is going to have a small problem every once in a while, it's unavoidable.
I don't care what happened in 1999 buddy. That was eight years ago. That was then, and this is NOW. The fact is, ATI falsely advertises their product. Have you seen the recent test results comparing both the p1sc and the s-trim? The S-trim can creat more power hands down.ATI overrated claims??? You obviously have ATI confused with Vortech. ATI sued Vortech a while back in '99 because ATI flat out busted Vortech making outrageously overstated claims as to power increases and "claimed" duarability and performance of their kits. Vortech was also releasing false information that was vastly understating the performance, HP gains, and durability of the ATI products. Then ATI called out Vortech to some head-to-head testing and of course Vortech pussed out and declined. And needless to say, ATI won their lawsuit.
I don't care what the Impala made. Were talking about MUSTANGS. Please find me a mustang that has made more than 550+WHP on the P1sc. Show me the time slip. Then I will shut up.I recently helped tune a 1996 Impala with a 383" LT4 w/ a P-1SC. It made 734 RWHP after all was said and done. And that was through a 4L80E and a 12 Bolt. So that is not enough for you? Step up to the D-1SC...850 RWHP no problem. Still not enough for you? Ok, how about the D-3R....1500 RWHP easy. Still not enough? How about the F-3R or F-4R....2000+ RWHP.
In case you havn't noticed, the supercharger doesn't make the entire car as fast as it is. What about the suspension? The driver capability? The transmission and engine? There are many variables that make a fast car. So you CANNOT come here and say that procharger is the "BEST" because "the quickest and fastest centrifugally powered Pro Car is right now has a procharger on it".Pro Charger has won 17 National Championships in the last 3 years. No other centrifugal blower manufacturer is even close to that. Guess what the quickest and fastest centrifugally powered Pro Car is right now....a Pro Mustang driven by Don Walsh Jr. that has gone 6.43 @ 216, and you guessed it...it is powered by a Pro Charger. When you are ready to play with the big boys, you better have a Pro Charger under the hood.
Obviously everyone has their own opinion on what supercharger is the best to use. I like Vortech because as of now, mostly everyone is satisfied with their kits. Why are so many people pleased with their mongoose kits from MPH? You tell me?
Remember to run a massive intercooler!!!
...like mine:
http://www.procharger.com/lawsuit.html
I recently helped tune a 1996 Impala with a 383" LT4 w/ a P-1SC. It made 734 RWHP after all was said and done. And that was through a 4L80E and a 12 Bolt. So that is not enough for you? Step
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