hp or tq

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

im just wondering what would you want in the long run .Low end tq or low end hp or the oppisite high end .Also wuts the differnce in tq and hp,Wich one do you want more of .

_jb_ · Jul 23, 2004

TQ moves you off the line while HP moves you through speed. HP is more from a roll racing while TQ is 1/4. I would want more tq but hp is nice also lol. I don't really care what one I get just as long as I get more and more of it.

mob · Jul 23, 2004

yea not to sure, but hp is in the higher rpm's, u dont need low end hp if u have torque, u could have 1000hp but if u have 1ft lb of torque your not moving, torque gets u off the line, i gues the more torque the harder the launch? or maybe just more tire spin lol not sure, but id rather have alot of torque, u dont really go to the track alot, excpet a few people, but id rather have the torque in the street and stuff, then the hp for the track, just my opinion, kinda long and confusing but in the end torque is what makes u move and hp comes in at the high rpm's and i guess that just means your engine makes the most power at high rpms? ah i feel like im arguing with myself, done.

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

so your saying if i dont have alot of tq i wont go know were ? huh

mob · Jul 23, 2004

no not really, have u ever noticed that when u ride in a civic and they punch the gas u just go pretty quick, but when u punch the gas in a stang u get thrown back in your seat and u feel the power, thats torque, i guess torque is kinda like hp but for the lower rpms cause hp is in the higher rpms, someone correct me if im wrong please

_jb_ · Jul 23, 2004

shttygtstang said:
so your saying if i dont have alot of tq i wont go know were ? huh

TQ is what first moves your car. When you change gears in the back, you multiply the TQ output. 2.73 x 300tq=819 TQ to move the car. When you move up to 3.73 you get, 3.73 x 300tq=1119TQ moving the car.

95five-0 · Jul 23, 2004

A buddy of mine is a ricer. Now take his car for example. He has close to 200 hp but no torque. So when he goes up a hill his car can't climb it. Torque is the real driving force, thats why trycks have twice as much torque as hp because they tow and need to be able to move that weight. In short if you have a lot of torque you can get going and the hp decide how fast you get going. IMO an even mix maybe even more torque than hp is a good thing.

stang2841 · Jul 23, 2004

torque IMO is most important for street racing, or track, there realy both just math problems

its a realy confusing subject that u brang up, but torque is what makes us own the civics

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

not realy my eclipse launched pretty hard my bike does also .i dont under stand are you saying if you have more ci youll have more tq.also if i have a 1000hp an no tq drop the clutch at 3500 im going no were

mob · Jul 23, 2004

stang2841 said:
but torque is what makes us own the civics

agreed, lol but i didnt know what jb said thats cool how u can figure out how much torque ur car uses to move

shttygtstang said:
also if i have a 1000hp an no tq drop the clutch at 3500 im going no were

those numbers i would say definatly ur not moving, ur gonna need to rev way past, no, nvm i doubt u will ever be able to move, like i said torque is what gets u off the line, i dont think hp has anything to do with launch, torque is everything in launch, and the torque says how hard you will launch, also there is a big difference between a quick fast launch by an eclipse and a hard launch that throws you back in your seat, thats something a civic cant do is throw u back in your seat

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

_JB_ said:
TQ is what first moves your car. When you change gears in the back, you multiply the TQ output. 2.73 x 300tq=819 TQ to move the car. When you move up to 3.73 you get, 3.73 x 300tq=1119TQ moving the car.

that makes sence your saying its like the gravity that pushes you back thats tq ok hp is the movment that picks the car up and moves you from 1500rpms to 6500 in a sertain time frame

were do you want it down low or up high

RydeOn · Jul 23, 2004

Oh lordie, here we go again. Basically HP and Torque are both a measure of guess what.....POWER! The more you have, the better. 350TQ is the same as 350HP. If you have more Hp than torque, cool, other way around, great. Its just you have to learn how to put that power to the ground depending when it hits in the RPM band. Whats better for what in the long run? Thats such a broad question considering how many types of racing there is. The big answer.....IT DEPENDS!!

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

RydeOn said:
Oh lordie, here we go again. Basically HP and Torque are both a measure of guess what.....POWER! The more you have, the better. 350TQ is the same as 350HP. If you have more Hp than torque, cool, other way around, great. Its just you have to learn how to put that power to the ground depending when it hits in the RPM band. Whats better for what in the long run? Thats such a broad question considering how many types of racing there is. The big answer.....IT DEPENDS!!

can you give me some exaples im trying to learn

mob · Jul 23, 2004

examples of what, the types of racing and what setup is better for each? it really isnt that hard to picture, just see trq as launch and hp as speed kinda, put which ever one u need more in the right place kidna hard to explain but u just kinda have to picture it

shttygtstang · Jul 23, 2004

well im not shure i dont know the differnce so how can i give an example of a subject i have know knowlege on

i just thought i wanted alot of both and ill be good but i was just wondering what and were they go

mob · Jul 23, 2004

hmm u lost me big time man, whos gonna give the examples haha, im sry this is odd, what do u want to know? i mean this is what goes on pretty much in a drag race lets say, the light turns green and u hit the gas, thats when the torque kicks in and the more u have the harder it will launch, if u have to much u might like spin the tires or something, but then as ur going say in 1st gear torque is still kicking in but when u get to say around 4000rpm hp kicks in cause thats where your engine makes power, thats what hp is, your engine dosent make power at low rpm's thats why it has torque if u have no power at low rpm how will u launch?? and i guess that cycle goes thru each gear, its not the best example but im trying to help

RydeOn · Jul 23, 2004

Well I see you have a crotch rocket in your avitar. Crotch rockets have motors that will be rated something like 60TQ @ 6000 RPM and 120HP @ 12000 RPM. Gearing is close and short, allowing the motor to quickly skip pass the "low" RPM range where power (torque) is weak. By the time the clutch is feathered out and let go, your well pass that weakly 60TQ, and your power builds from there on its way to the real 120 HP power at redline. On the contrast, a big ass heavy 6000 lb truck like my Bronco 351 makes 320TQ @ 2500 RPM and 200HP @ 3500 RPM. For a vehicle like that the gearing is long and wide. The power is instantly available due to displacement but the gearing is stretched to allow the vehicle to accelerate to highway speeds. In a truck, you are using torque because its the power that is most plentiful and the gearing is designed around it. The truck will shift well before 3000 RPM and move back into the low RPM power range. Stangs are right in the middle of these two extremes. If you notice there are many power packages. Street packages are idle to 5500 RPM. Those will create more torque, because after 5250 RPM HP is usually higher. Packages like a 3000-8000 RPM powerband will always have more HP, because the higher your revving, the more HP you will make than torque. And if you make more HP than torque you want lower gears (like 4.10, 4.30s, etc) so that you can get past the low RPM doggy stuff and keep the car in the powerband. And if there was an advantage to HP or Torque, HP has it because it can take superior advatage of gearing. But they are both good. Sorry if I explaned it like crap but right now Im kinda messed up from pounding beers, lol.

RydeOn · Jul 23, 2004

And another thing. The actuall "feel" of HP and torque is the exact same. 350 torque in a stang will feel just like 350 HP in a Civic. The only difference that affect how the "feel" is percieved are other variables like weight, gearing, and believe it or not, the sound that the motor makes while putting that power down.

DirtyD916 · Jul 23, 2004

mob said:
u could have 1000hp but if u have 1ft lb of torque your not moving

kinda like supras

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DirtyD916 · Jul 23, 2004

anyways i find that torque is just the push you in your seat, rip you threw the streets kinda power that makes daily driving around town so much fun.

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